Are we being fair to Kyle Shanahan?

[30gut]

Here's an interesting breakdown of league wide 1st down tendencies and outcomes thru week 9:

Pass (tied for 6th highest) 54%
YPA: 6.82

Run 46%
YPC: 3.65

Originally Posted by Kyle

"You have to get to know your team," he said. "I think I’ll do a better job next year calling plays...It was kind of a work in progress for everyone last season. You [have to] get in a rhythm, start getting first downs and get going on long drives."

For Kyle Shanahan, Third Downs Are Key

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Here's an interesting breakdown of league wide 1st down tendencies and outcomes thru week 9:

Pass (tied for 6th highest) 54%
YPA: 6.82

Run 46%
YPC: 3.65

For Kyle Shanahan, Third Downs Are Key

Forgot to post the link to the 1st down stats:

Steelers 1st Down Run & Pass Stats Through First Half Of 2010 Season | Steelers Depot

[Hog Heaven]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

I like Keiland Williams as well, a lot, actually. And I agree he's a much better runner in the scheme. But...I guess the illusion was that Torain was more productive. Actually, I agree, I have no idea why Keiland didn't get more touches. YOU WIN THAT ONE, SIR!

But in 2009, Kyle had no running backs. His number one back got injured. They tried inserting guys in there, but couldn't find anyone. But when Arian Foster came in and he played well, they let him play, and he played well.

I don't think Kyle has a problem running the ball, I just think he has to find the guy to run the ball consistently.

Or maybe Mike needs to smack Kyle upside the head sometimes and tell him to run the ball or he'll have to mow the grass

He'll be mowing the grass a lot next year.....

[skinster]

Originally Posted by NLC1054

I like Keiland Williams as well, a lot, actually. And I agree he's a much better runner in the scheme. But...I guess the illusion was that Torain was more productive. Actually, I agree, I have no idea why Keiland didn't get more touches. YOU WIN THAT ONE, SIR!

But in 2009, Kyle had no running backs. His number one back got injured. They tried inserting guys in there, but couldn't find anyone. But when Arian Foster came in and he played well, they let him play, and he played well.

I don't think Kyle has a problem running the ball, I just think he has to find the guy to run the ball consistently.

Or maybe Mike needs to smack Kyle upside the head sometimes and tell him to run the ball or he'll have to mow the grass

Its hard to run the ball when your constantly behind in the game.

Its also hard to execute an offense without an offensive line, running back, wide receiving core, fullback, or quarterback that are adequate. Tight end is really all we had.

I blame kyle zero for our lack of offensive production. Personally I think we overachieved offensively due to our lack of talent, but nobody please respond to that, I don't feel like getting into that argument.

[MTK]

Even Kyle admits last year was a work in progress and he needs to improve. I think our offensive shortcomings were mainly due to a lack of talent too, but Kyle S. has to share some blame as well.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Even Kyle admits last year was a work in progress and he needs to improve. I think our offensive shortcomings were mainly due to a lack of talent too, but Kyle S. has to share some blame as well.

I like that he said that. IMO what that means is that he is going to tweak his systems to more fit the talent around him as opposed to just doing what worked with other teams. I think this is a good indicator that he is smart, sees what works and what doesnt, is growing as a coach, and is able to adapt.

I'm not kyle's number one fan, but like you I don't believe it to be kyle's fault of our offensive shortcomings. I also like that it seems he has high expectations, and believes in his ability to maximize talent and succeed with whoever he has out there (not that he doesn't want the best talent possible). Learning these words is encouraging to me.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Even Kyle admits last year was a work in progress and he needs to improve. I think our offensive shortcomings were mainly due to a lack of talent too, but Kyle S. has to share some blame as well.

Yeah, i mean its hard to read two people go back and forth about K. Williams and Torrain. A 3rd down back at best and an often injuried FA...lets pray to god someone new emerges at the RB this season. It would probably help Kyle a sh*tton

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Even Kyle admits last year was a work in progress and he needs to improve. I think our offensive shortcomings were mainly due to a lack of talent too, but Kyle S. has to share some blame as well.

I think it is more of a lack of talent than Shanny Jr. I don't thik Shanny Jr is going to be our savior anymore than his dad, but we had a real crappy team last year offensively.

[30gut]

Kyle's statements leads me to believe that hethinks we could have been better with the talent we had.

And I agree with him.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by @Rich_Campbell
Rich Campbell

Kyle's priorities for the offense: "We need to run the ball better. We need to run the ball more, and we have to be better on third downs."

Amen.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Obviously Kyle has learned somethings from is mistakes from last year that is important as a professional in any field. My biggest knock is trying to fit players into his scheme as opposed to developing the scheme for the players. Evolution is part of business if you stick with something and it doesn't work you need to try something new. IMO it took Kyle along time to recognize that something wasn't working. Hopefully he is a little quicker on the uptake this season. I don't buy the whole we will have another year playing this scheme argument. There are too many variables there with player chemistry, players switching teams and having to learn new systems or variations of systems etc.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Obviously Kyle has learned somethings from is mistakes from last year that is important as a professional in any field. My biggest knock is trying to fit players into his scheme as opposed to developing the scheme for the players. Evolution is part of business if you stick with something and it doesn't work you need to try something new.

Disagree 100%. Coaches will not change their scheme to fit around players. You see it on the college level and you see it at the NFL level. That's why you have to give coaches 3-4 years to get their players in place to make things work. You can't just keep changing your scheme around because the players don't fit it. No, you go get players that fit your scheme. Also, what if Montana, Rice, Craig, etc didn't fit the West Coast offense, think he should have changed his scheme? Hell no.

The absolute problem with Kyle S is that he had absolute 0 talent on the offensive side of the ball. Look at the numbers offensively over the past decade and you'll see we've had little talent on this side of the ball. Let the guys get their players in, give them time and see how it works. If after year 4 we aren't contending or making playoff runs continually, then come back and say something. This is the beginning of the 2nd year, and basically a complete roster turnover. We should be grateful and ecstatic he's cleaning house.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Disagree 100%. Coaches will not change their scheme to fit around players. You see it on the college level and you see it at the NFL level. That's why you have to give coaches 3-4 years to get their players in place to make things work. You can't just keep changing your scheme around because the players don't fit it. No, you go get players that fit your scheme. Also, what if Montana, Rice, Craig, etc didn't fit the West Coast offense, think he should have changed his scheme? Hell no.

The absolute problem with Kyle S is that he had absolute 0 talent on the offensive side of the ball. Look at the numbers offensively over the past decade and you'll see we've had little talent on this side of the ball. Let the guys get their players in, give them time and see how it works. If after year 4 we aren't contending or making playoff runs continually, then come back and say something. This is the beginning of the 2nd year, and basically a complete roster turnover. We should be grateful and ecstatic he's cleaning house.

Didn't they try to bring him players to fit his scheme when they traded for McNabb? It was clear it wasn't working and some adjustments should've been made.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Didn't they try to bring him players to fit his scheme when they traded for McNabb? It was clear it wasn't working and some adjustments should've been made.

No, Kyle never wanted him for his scheme. His dad overrode his pleas and still brought him in. Read the article a few posts prior. Adjustments were made. He was benched and the back up QB came in and looked twice as good.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Disagree 100%. Coaches will not change their scheme to fit around players. You see it on the college level and you see it at the NFL level. That's why you have to give coaches 3-4 years to get their players in place to make things work. You can't just keep changing your scheme around because the players don't fit it. No, you go get players that fit your scheme. Also, what if Montana, Rice, Craig, etc didn't fit the West Coast offense, think he should have changed his scheme? Hell no.

The absolute problem with Kyle S is that he had absolute 0 talent on the offensive side of the ball. Look at the numbers offensively over the past decade and you'll see we've had little talent on this side of the ball. Let the guys get their players in, give them time and see how it works. If after year 4 we aren't contending or making playoff runs continually, then come back and say something. This is the beginning of the 2nd year, and basically a complete roster turnover. We should be grateful and ecstatic he's cleaning house.

blache and g williams and billy b and rex ryan all adapt their scheme to their personnel, and all have good track records year 1.

they used randy moss a lot differently then they used d branch because he's a different player.

insisting on making square pegs go in round holes is a great way to waste time and money. haslett really sucked last year and never made good adjustments, hence the horrible D rankings.