What If?

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 09:51 AM

I know that Betts was also brushed aside when Portis showed up, but I don't recall Betts being drafted as our #1 back (even though I really like the way the guy runs).

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I know that Betts was also brushed aside when Portis showed up, but I don't recall Betts being drafted as our #1 back (even though I really like the way the guy runs).

I like Betts too but we should all agree that was a definite upgrade. I do think Gibbs needs to get Betts more involved in the game.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I like Betts too but we should all agree that was a definite upgrade. I do think Gibbs needs to get Betts more involved in the game.

To clarify, Portis is the best runner by far. I'm just saying I've liked the way Betts has played even when overshadowed by a premier back like Portis.

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

To clarify, Portis is the best runner by far. I'm just saying I've liked the way Betts has played even when overshadowed by a premier back like Portis.

I agree and I knew what you ment in your first post.

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 09:55 AM

I thought Gibbs made it pretty clear that it was an open compition for QB. Now if when Brunell came in and all of the attention and reps went to Brunell than thats a laget argument. I thought things were split about 50/50 at first until they decided who the starter was.

cpayne5 · 05-02-2005, 09:59 AM

With the kind of emphasis Gibbs puts on the QB position, there is no way he'd trade Ramsey if he has a good year.

BDBohnzie · 05-02-2005, 10:37 AM

it is definitely a make or break year for Ramsey. if he has a good year, he'll be back next season, to give Campbell that much more time to prepare himself. beyond this season and next is a crap shoot at best. Guys like Marino, Montana, Young just don't come about anymore. the closest we have now is Brady, McNabb, Manning, and Culpepper, and they aren't in the upper echelon just yet. if the Skins can get 2 good seasons out of Ramsey, and prepare Campbell for the future, then Gibbs will be set at the QB position.

If Ramsey has a crappy year, the Skins will be rebuilding once again, and will be looking for another QB to mold into a Gibbs QB while Campbell and Brunell take the reins.

Defensewins · 05-02-2005, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

.... Guys like Marino, Montana, Young just don't come about anymore. the closest we have now is Brady, McNabb, Manning, and Culpepper, and they aren't in the upper echelon just yet....

Roethlisberger had a good start of his career last year, looking good so far. Best rookie year of any NFL QB yet.
If the Colts ever get a defense (Defense wins championships) Manning could be one the greats like Montana.

Grayacre · 05-02-2005, 11:08 AM

Perhaps Ramsey did have a fair shot at being the starter heading into the preseason, but I doubt it. Given the size of Brunell's contract, I find it very hard to believe that Gibbs believed at the outset that there was a 50/50 chance that Brunell would be riding the pine. It seems far more likely that there was a presumption that Brunell would be starting, unless Ramsey really lit things up during the preseason. In other words, it may be true that Ramsey had a chance to start -- but not an even chance.

As for this year, I think that Ramsey will fulfill more of his potential. Unfortunately, I'd have to agree w/the folks that say he's unlikely to stay when his contract expires. Given the lack of confidence that this team has shown in him, I can't say that I'd blame him for taking the first bus out of town ...

skinsguy · 05-02-2005, 12:24 PM

Ramsey didn't impress me one bit in last year's preseason - nor - did Mark Brunell. Neither guy looked like someone who could lead a team to the playoffs. I think Ramsey does have the ability, but he's going to have to prove it this season. Who knows, Brunell may come out and look like the Brunell of old....I'm not holding my breath, but now that would be very interesting.

firstdown · 05-02-2005, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsguy

Ramsey didn't impress me one bit in last year's preseason - nor - did Mark Brunell. Neither guy looked like someone who could lead a team to the playoffs. I think Ramsey does have the ability, but he's going to have to prove it this season. Who knows, Brunell may come out and look like the Brunell of old....I'm not holding my breath, but now that would be very interesting.

If I remember correctly Hasselback looked better than both in the little action he got in preseason.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 12:26 PM

I hope we never get to see Brunell "come out". I'd love to see Campbell straight up, beat him up for the #2 position.

Redskins_P · 05-02-2005, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I hope we never get to see Brunell "come out". I'd love to see Campbell straight up, beat him up for the #2 position.

If that were to happen, Brunell would be the highest paid #3 QB in the history of the NFL.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-02-2005, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

If that were to happen, Brunell would be the highest paid #3 QB in the history of the NFL.

Very true, but I'd rather have a high-paid old #3 sitting the bench rather than a possible QB of the future not getting any reps in real games.

Hijinx · 05-02-2005, 06:03 PM

My point is that we are in somewhat of a lose/lose position in that even if Ramsey does really well this year I dont see him staying because of what has happened in the past. Now that might not mean anything if Campbell turns out well. HOWEVER swicthing QBs every two to three years is how we got to the point where we haven't had a winning record since '99.(Yes I know this is but one of many reasons)

05-02-2005, 09:55 AM	#5
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 62 Posts: 15,817	Re: What If? I thought Gibbs made it pretty clear that it was an open compition for QB. Now if when Brunell came in and all of the attention and reps went to Brunell than thats a laget argument. I thought things were split about 50/50 at first until they decided who the starter was.

05-02-2005, 09:59 AM	#6
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Re: What If? With the kind of emphasis Gibbs puts on the QB position, there is no way he'd trade Ramsey if he has a good year. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

05-02-2005, 10:37 AM	#7
BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 47 Posts: 4,628	Re: What If? it is definitely a make or break year for Ramsey. if he has a good year, he'll be back next season, to give Campbell that much more time to prepare himself. beyond this season and next is a crap shoot at best. Guys like Marino, Montana, Young just don't come about anymore. the closest we have now is Brady, McNabb, Manning, and Culpepper, and they aren't in the upper echelon just yet. if the Skins can get 2 good seasons out of Ramsey, and prepare Campbell for the future, then Gibbs will be set at the QB position. If Ramsey has a crappy year, the Skins will be rebuilding once again, and will be looking for another QB to mold into a Gibbs QB while Campbell and Brunell take the reins. __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

05-02-2005, 11:08 AM	#9
Grayacre Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Arlington Posts: 35	Re: What If? Perhaps Ramsey did have a fair shot at being the starter heading into the preseason, but I doubt it. Given the size of Brunell's contract, I find it very hard to believe that Gibbs believed at the outset that there was a 50/50 chance that Brunell would be riding the pine. It seems far more likely that there was a presumption that Brunell would be starting, unless Ramsey really lit things up during the preseason. In other words, it may be true that Ramsey had a chance to start -- but not an even chance. As for this year, I think that Ramsey will fulfill more of his potential. Unfortunately, I'd have to agree w/the folks that say he's unlikely to stay when his contract expires. Given the lack of confidence that this team has shown in him, I can't say that I'd blame him for taking the first bus out of town ...

05-02-2005, 12:24 PM	#10
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: What If? Ramsey didn't impress me one bit in last year's preseason - nor - did Mark Brunell. Neither guy looked like someone who could lead a team to the playoffs. I think Ramsey does have the ability, but he's going to have to prove it this season. Who knows, Brunell may come out and look like the Brunell of old....I'm not holding my breath, but now that would be very interesting. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

05-02-2005, 09:51 AM	#1
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: What If? I know that Betts was also brushed aside when Portis showed up, but I don't recall Betts being drafted as our #1 back (even though I really like the way the guy runs). __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-02-2005, 12:26 PM	#12
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 45 Posts: 19,272	Re: What If? I hope we never get to see Brunell "come out". I'd love to see Campbell straight up, beat him up for the #2 position. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-02-2005, 06:03 PM	#15
Hijinx The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 51 Posts: 1,961	Re: What If? My point is that we are in somewhat of a lose/lose position in that even if Ramsey does really well this year I dont see him staying because of what has happened in the past. Now that might not mean anything if Campbell turns out well. HOWEVER swicthing QBs every two to three years is how we got to the point where we haven't had a winning record since '99.(Yes I know this is but one of many reasons) __________________ This is my signature, there are many like it, but this one is mine.

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