Pretend you are the Skins' GM...

CultBrennan59 · 08-02-2011, 12:36 PM

If I were the Jets, Cardinals, Browns, Panthers, or Ravens GM then Yes I would trade for him. Skins have a young corner named Josh Wilson who had a 48% completion percentage. Meaning if a QB threw at him 100 times he'd only allow 48 catches. Very good numbers, plus he's young and hungry to play in another aggressive defense.

Lotus · 08-02-2011, 12:47 PM

If Philly were giving him away, sure. But likely we can't pay the price without hurting ourselves elsewhere.

MTK · 08-02-2011, 12:46 PM

I'd pass.

GTripp0012 · 08-02-2011, 12:50 PM

It should also be said that Torain and a third is as high as I'd be willing to go. Any good trade negotiation would hopefully begin a lot lower than that.

#56fanatic · 08-03-2011, 08:02 AM

First I would ask my Defensive coach what he thought about him.. And after Haslett says he isn't a bump and run corner, and the fact that we blitz a ton and will again this year and the fact that Samuel plays off 10 to 12 yards every play and get dominated at the line if he plays close....I am sure he'd so NAH...we are good at corner

musicmaster45 · 08-02-2011, 12:51 PM

No samuel is getting older

sportscurmudgeon · 08-02-2011, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by musicmaster45

No samuel is getting older

I think - - I would need time to verify this to be sure - - that each and every player on the Skins roster is also getting older. That phenomenon might actually apply to the entire NFL. [/sarcasm]

vallin21 · 08-02-2011, 12:57 PM

Pass... rather sign Hayden

SmootSmack · 08-02-2011, 01:00 PM

I'd rather send a pick to Kansas City for Brandon Carr

GTripp0012 · 08-02-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I'd rather send a pick to Kansas City for Brandon Carr

Well, I would too, for both reasons relating to personal values and player values. He's probably a better player than Samuel as well.

But I wouldn't think a 2012 third rounder would net us a no. 1 CB who is just 26.

sportscurmudgeon · 08-02-2011, 01:50 PM

OK folks, after a couple dozen replies here, let me explain why I started this thread in the first place...

1. Given the lack of love shown here for Carlos Rogers, I wondered how enthusiastic folks might be to acquire a Pro Bowl caliber CB to play in his place.

2. Given the cries of anguish here when the Skins' defense ranked 30th in the league last year - - or was it 31st - - I wondered how much an upgrade at CB might appeal to folks here.

I purposely did not include what the Eagles might be seeking in such a trade - - even though there is plenty of "scuttlebutt" around on that front to see what folks here might want to offer if they wanted to offer anything at all.

I find it interesting that some folks said that they never want to deal with the Eagles again because the Eagles fleeced the Redskins on the McNabb deal last year. Excuse me, but that paints the entire Redskins organization as a bunch of rubes who cannot be trusted to deal with the vastly superior folks who run the Philly franchise. With that attitude, I doubt many of you would be invited to Bruce Allen's house for a BBQ anytime soon...

I was also surprised as to the degree to which people placed emphasis on young players here. Frankly, I agree with that emphasis especially since the Redskins have emphasized exactly the opposite for at least the last 10 years. Nevertheless, it seems a bit harsh to pass entirely on a Pro Bowl level player just because you might have to part with a player who might be younger. For the record, Asante Samuel is 8 months older than John Beck...

Here is the reason - - I suspect - - that no one here would want to pursue this deal in reality. The biggest offer anyone came up with was "Torrain and a 3rd round pick" (and that offer sent shivers down several posters' spines). The "scuttlebutt" is that the Eagles want more than that. If the "sculltebutt" is correct, they actually want something that the Redskins do not have to offer so everyone is safe here...

Supposedly, the Eagles want to trade Samuel for a starting right tackle to protect Vick's blind side. The Skins do not have anyone at RT that would fit the profile the Eagles are looking for so do not lose any sleep over the possibility of this kind of deal going down - - unless it becomes a 3-way swap.

Thanks for the responses. I enjoyed seeing how the folks here looked at this "opportunity".

GTripp0012 · 08-02-2011, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Here is the reason - - I suspect - - that no one here would want to pursue this deal in reality. The biggest offer anyone came up with was "Torrain and a 3rd round pick" (and that offer sent shivers down several posters' spines). The "scuttlebutt" is that the Eagles want more than that. If the "sculltebutt" is correct, they actually want something that the Redskins do not have to offer so everyone is safe here...

And even that suggestion is only meant to answer the question "what is he worth to us" not "should we actually want to acquire him".

If you consider that the Redskins are a non-contender in 2011, then obviously, no, trading picks for players is a bad strategy. Hence why I didn't like the Hightower trade as much as others.

skinsfaninok · 08-02-2011, 01:03 PM

nope

JoeRedskin · 08-02-2011, 01:12 PM

And Vinny says ...

Next year's first and Orakpo! We are just a corner away!!

NC_Skins · 08-02-2011, 01:40 PM

If I were the GM, the first order of business would for me to hire Dirtbag59 to head up the film/video department.

...oh, this is about a crappy Eagle. Nope, I'd pass. Too much money and it would require giving out draft picks which I loathe doing.

08-02-2011, 12:36 PM	#1
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... If I were the Jets, Cardinals, Browns, Panthers, or Ravens GM then Yes I would trade for him. Skins have a young corner named Josh Wilson who had a 48% completion percentage. Meaning if a QB threw at him 100 times he'd only allow 48 catches. Very good numbers, plus he's young and hungry to play in another aggressive defense.

08-02-2011, 12:47 PM	#2
Lotus Fire Bruce NOW Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Posts: 11,434	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... If Philly were giving him away, sure. But likely we can't pay the price without hurting ourselves elsewhere. __________________ Bruce Allen when in charge alone: 4-12 (.250) Bruce Allen's overall Redskins record : 28-52 (.350) Vinny Cerrato's record when in charge alone: 52-65 (.444) Vinny's overall Redskins record: 62-82 (.430) We won more with Vinny

08-02-2011, 12:46 PM	#3
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GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... It should also be said that Torain and a third is as high as I'd be willing to go. Any good trade negotiation would hopefully begin a lot lower than that. __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

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musicmaster45 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Colorado Posts: 374	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... No samuel is getting older __________________ Shanahann loves the colleges i do...... Purdue and Nebraska FTW!!!!

08-03-2011, 08:02 AM	#5
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... First I would ask my Defensive coach what he thought about him.. And after Haslett says he isn't a bump and run corner, and the fact that we blitz a ton and will again this year and the fact that Samuel plays off 10 to 12 yards every play and get dominated at the line if he plays close....I am sure he'd so NAH...we are good at corner

08-02-2011, 12:57 PM	#8
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,198	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... Pass... rather sign Hayden

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SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... I'd rather send a pick to Kansas City for Brandon Carr __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-02-2011, 01:50 PM	#11
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... OK folks, after a couple dozen replies here, let me explain why I started this thread in the first place... 1. Given the lack of love shown here for Carlos Rogers, I wondered how enthusiastic folks might be to acquire a Pro Bowl caliber CB to play in his place. 2. Given the cries of anguish here when the Skins' defense ranked 30th in the league last year - - or was it 31st - - I wondered how much an upgrade at CB might appeal to folks here. I purposely did not include what the Eagles might be seeking in such a trade - - even though there is plenty of "scuttlebutt" around on that front to see what folks here might want to offer if they wanted to offer anything at all. I find it interesting that some folks said that they never want to deal with the Eagles again because the Eagles fleeced the Redskins on the McNabb deal last year. Excuse me, but that paints the entire Redskins organization as a bunch of rubes who cannot be trusted to deal with the vastly superior folks who run the Philly franchise. With that attitude, I doubt many of you would be invited to Bruce Allen's house for a BBQ anytime soon... I was also surprised as to the degree to which people placed emphasis on young players here. Frankly, I agree with that emphasis especially since the Redskins have emphasized exactly the opposite for at least the last 10 years. Nevertheless, it seems a bit harsh to pass entirely on a Pro Bowl level player just because you might have to part with a player who might be younger. For the record, Asante Samuel is 8 months older than John Beck... Here is the reason - - I suspect - - that no one here would want to pursue this deal in reality. The biggest offer anyone came up with was "Torrain and a 3rd round pick" (and that offer sent shivers down several posters' spines). The "scuttlebutt" is that the Eagles want more than that. If the "sculltebutt" is correct, they actually want something that the Redskins do not have to offer so everyone is safe here... Supposedly, the Eagles want to trade Samuel for a starting right tackle to protect Vick's blind side. The Skins do not have anyone at RT that would fit the profile the Eagles are looking for so do not lose any sleep over the possibility of this kind of deal going down - - unless it becomes a 3-way swap. Thanks for the responses. I enjoyed seeing how the folks here looked at this "opportunity". __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

08-02-2011, 01:03 PM	#13
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 39 Posts: 36,242	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... nope __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

08-02-2011, 01:12 PM	#14
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 63 Posts: 10,401	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... And Vinny says ... Next year's first and Orakpo! We are just a corner away!! __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

08-02-2011, 01:40 PM	#15
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,751	Re: Pretend you are the Skins' GM... If I were the GM, the first order of business would for me to hire Dirtbag59 to head up the film/video department. ...oh, this is about a crappy Eagle. Nope, I'd pass. Too much money and it would require giving out draft picks which I loathe doing.

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