Sex Abuse Scandal Rocks Penn State

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know how much of it is arrogance or just ignorance. Like he has no clue the severity of what's going on?

And what's with him being all pissy about getting fired via phone. He announced his retirment via press release. And as far as I know he didn't notify the BOT beforehand

Which only bolsters the arrogance argument - "I don't need to inform the people entrusted with running the school what I am doing, I'll just do it 'cause I know what's best" contrasted with "How dare they not speak to me in person! I deserve better b/c of everything I've done."

I'll give you it's a clueless arrogance - i.e. he doesn't think he's being arrogant, he's thinks he's just doing what's best for the school.

And I'm with you AMD - He should never have put the BOT in this position. He should've manned up and said something to the effect of "Doesn't matter what I thought at the time, ultimately, the buck stops here and, as an example to our students, I am resigning." But noooooo .....

I've never really cared one way or another for Paterno. I know he's an icon but I guess I never got it and have thought he was mostly running on fumes since sometime in the mid-2000's. What little respect I had for him is so far gone at this point.

Jail time all around folks.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Which only bolsters the arrogance argument - "I don't need to inform the people entrusted with running the school what I am doing, I'll just do it 'cause I know what's best" contrasted with "How dare they not speak to me in person! I deserve better b/c of everything I've done."

I'll give you it's a clueless arrogance - i.e. he doesn't think he's being arrogant, he's thinks he's just doing what's best for the school.

And I'm with you AMD - He should never have put the BOT in this position. He should've manned up and said something to the effect of "Doesn't matter what I thought at the time, ultimately, the buck stops here and, as an example to our students, I am resigning." But noooooo .....

I've never really cared one way or another for Paterno. I know he's an icon but I guess I never got it and have thought he was mostly running on fumes since sometime in the mid-2000's. What little respect I had for him is so far gone at this point.

Jail time all around folks.

I have always thought him to be the epitome of selfish. There's has to be something wrong with you to sit up there in the booth and play head coach for the better part of a decade.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know how much of it is arrogance or just ignorance. Like he has no clue the severity of what's going on?

And what's with him being all pissy about getting fired via phone. He announced his retirment via press release. And as far as I know he didn't notify the BOT beforehand

With his son, his wife, his family, and his lawyers, to be sure he can't play the ignorant role on how severe this is or are all the people in his circle nitwits as well? Having a pep rally the night prior? Really? Speaking to the media even after he was told not to? To me, that's sheer arrogance and a person who thought he was above it all. If he's smart enough to run a 50 mil a year football program, then surely he's smart enough to know to shut the hell up and let things run it's course while staying out of the limelight.

As far as him being pissy. It was evident he wanted to dictate how his future went. Watch that interview and you can tell he answered to no one.

Joe Paterno's Legacy - ESPN Video - ESPN

(4:25 mark in the video)

"I'm going to retire when I want to retire. I'm going to retire when I think it's the best time for Penn State football. Period."

You can look at his demeanor when he's saying it. I think he bought into his own hype.

[SmootSmack]

Yeah I think a lot of people would agree he's been running on fumes and someone this morning, Paul Posluszny maybe?, said after such a long career you figure it may not end well. Like he'd stay a bit too long and leave after some losing years or something like that. But I'm sure no one expected it to end like this

And another thing, did you see his brief statement outside his home last night? When he says "and say a little prayer for the victims" I mean, I don't want to say it was insincere, but it was just odd how he was already going back to in his house and he turned around and was like "Oh yeah. By the way. Say a prayer. Go Penn State!"

Such a tragedy

And what is McQueary still doing there?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

And what is McQueary still doing there?

THAT is what the hell I want to know. How can they let that douche bag who not only didn't stop the rape, but help cover it up as well.

[saden1]

Can we stop calling him Joe Pa? He isn't worthy of being called "Pa" given his aiding and abetting of a child molester.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

Can we stop calling him Joe Pa? He isn't worthy of being called "Pa" given his aiding and abetting of a child molester.

Thank you! I have found that particularly disturbing. I think I used it once or twice and then realized the incongruity and thought "Wow - that's just wrong."

[saden1]

So are they going to fire Mike McQueary (the punk who saw the incident)? Is he going to jail?

[hooskins]

For those of you that the emotional reactions are only from the undergraduate study body, you would be mistaken.

A lot of my friends went to Penn St. They are in their mid to late 20s and all I see is facebook posts with Joe Pa. motivational quotes and 30 likes. I really don't understand how anyone who has a child or a cousin, etc. could be so blinded by what occurred to those kids.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

For those of you that the emotional reactions are only from the undergraduate study body, you would be mistaken.

A lot of my friends went to Penn St. They are in their mid to late 20s and all I see is facebook posts with Joe Pa. motivational quotes and 30 likes. I really don't understand how anyone who has a child or a cousin, etc. could be so blinded by what occurred to those kids.

This goes back to me saying (in regards to the OWS movement) that if it doesn't affect people directly, they simply don't care.

Some kid gets raped by a serial child molester? Don't care.
Some innocent civilians get bombed overseas? Don't care.
Some protesters get shot with rubber bullets and tear gas? Don't care.
Some people in Africa committing genocide? Don't care.

Take away their Social Security. NOW they care.



Nobody gives a shit until it affects them, and then they want somebody to stand up for their cause. It's sad, but sports has become almost too big in America these days. We put a priority emphasis on our favorite teams, and don't really care if these people turn a blind eye if they are protecting their team while doing so. They are just as selfish as the people enabling these child molesters.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by hooskins

For those of you that the emotional reactions are only from the undergraduate study body, you would be mistaken.

A lot of my friends went to Penn St. They are in their mid to late 20s and all I see is facebook posts with Joe Pa. motivational quotes and 30 likes. I really don't understand how anyone who has a child or a cousin, etc. could be so blinded by what occurred to those kids.

guy in my office he is 50 something went to PSU big PSU football etc...

Was out in the parking lot yesterday at lunch scraping off the giant PSU sticker he had on his trucks back window.

The undergrad kids are just being stupid and are swept up in the brain washing, seriously to stand behind Joe P is at this point retarded.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by mredskins

The undergrad kids are just being stupid and are swept up in the brain washing, seriously to stand behind Joe P is at this point retarded.

College kids would show up and riot anything. They could raise the cost on beer in town and they'd react the same way. Most of the idiots showed up to see what was going on.


Sarah: Hey Liz, what are you doing tonight?
Liz: OMG we are going to go drinking and watch the protest, wanna come?
Sarah: Like OMG I'm so there!!


^^pretty much how most of it went I imagine.

Had the school told them you would be expelled for rioting prior, I imagine that crowd would be a lot less.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

College kids would show up and riot anything. They could raise the cost on beer in town and they'd react the same way. Most of the idiots showed up to see what was going on.


Sarah: Hey Liz, what are you doing tonight?
Liz: OMG we are going to go drinking and watch the protest, wanna come?
Sarah: Like OMG I'm so there!!


^^pretty much how most of it went I imagine.

Had the school told them you would be expelled for rioting prior, I imagine that crowd would be a lot less.

My sister and brother in law are PSU grads, they are embarrassed by it all.

but my sister use to say when she went there was this:

Student Body: We won the football game today, lets get drunk!

Student Body: We lost the football game today, lets get drunk!

So today she emailed me this:

Student Body: Joe Pa got fired, lets get drunk!

LOL the mentality is still the same.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by hooskins

For those of you that the emotional reactions are only from the undergraduate study body, you would be mistaken.

A lot of my friends went to Penn St. They are in their mid to late 20s and all I see is facebook posts with Joe Pa. motivational quotes and 30 likes. I really don't understand how anyone who has a child or a cousin, etc. could be so blinded by what occurred to those kids.

The Cult of Personality has always, always been a powerful force. People identify with the Paterno, see him as an influence on who they are now, probably many happy memories from college are attributed to things he did while they were there. Probably hard to accept that part of your happiness was bought at the expense of these victims.

I am really not making excuses for them - they need to see the reality not the icon. Just trying to figure out how people could still worship him after this.

[firstdown]

I can't believe how people can worship a stupid F*&6ing coach. He is just a football coach not a god stupid a$$ people.