Sex Abuse Scandal Rocks Penn State

[SmootSmack]

I mean the NCAA can't tell someone "stop rooting for Penn State, take down your Joe Paterno magazine cutouts, tear up your autographed DJ Dozier poster"

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I mean the NCAA can't tell someone "stop rooting for Penn State, take down your Joe Paterno magazine cutouts, tear up your autographed DJ Dozier poster"

No - But they can take the product they root for off of the field.

[Daseal]

You're right. I didn't click read more. My apologies. The kids can transfer without penalty and keep their scholarships. I'm okay with that.

I also just heard they're paying the 60M over 5 years -- I don't like that....

[Monkeydad]

Additionally, How exactly is vacating wins in any way related to, or an appropriate punishment for OFF-FIELD issues?

The former players will still tell their grandkids about the games they won and the Bowl games they went to.

Suddenly, we just pretend those games and wins didn't happen?

This "punishment", specifically this part is a joke. It doesn't make any sense. The players earned those wins. They should be not punished. Rewriting history won't affect anyone or help the guilty realize what they've done wrong. You think the Board of Directors, the Athletic department Graham Spanier and Sandusky's wife care that when they search the team's W-L record online, it will look different? You think they care about no Bowls for 4 years? They may care if the program was shut down...along with their income.


I wanted the football program to be killed...at least for 14 years, how long they covered up the rapes. Then we get the cries "why punish the current players, they didn't do anything wrong!" True, but we're punishing the football PROGRAM. The AD, the board, the coaches...and everyone who put the public relations and income of the football program above these kids, including the fans who still won't admit anything happened. The players can transfer and play right away. If they still want a crappy PSU degree, they can stay there for the academics.


Other than lost money, the football program literally just got away with rape, at least from the NCAA.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Additionally, How exactly is vacating wins in any way related to, or an appropriate punishment for OFF-FIELD issues?

The former players will still tell their grandkids about the games they won and the Bowl games they went to.

Suddenly, we just pretend those games and wins didn't happen?

This "punishment", specifically this part is a joke. It doesn't make any sense. The players earned those wins. They should be not punished. Rewriting history won't affect anyone or help the guilty realize what they've done wrong. You think the Board of Directors, the Athletic department Graham Spanier and Sandusky's wife care that when they search the team's W-L record online, it will look different? You think they care about no Bowls for 4 years? They may care if the program was shut down...along with their income.


I wanted the football program to be killed...at least for 14 years, how long they covered up the rapes. Then we get the cries "why punish the current players, they didn't do anything wrong!" True, but we're punishing the football PROGRAM. The AD, the board, the coaches...and everyone who put the public relations and income of the football program above these kids, including the fans who still won't admit anything happened. The players can transfer and play right away. If they still want a crappy PSU degree, they can stay there for the academics.


Other than lost money, the football program literally just got away with rape, at least from the NCAA.

The players are not being punished by the vacated wins. They've moved on. The players still have their memories of playing, achievements during that game. They aren't being affected at all by those "W"s being turned into "L"s.

I think the Penn State wins were vacated for one reason. To not let Joe Paterno be the winningest coach in major college football, in part by covering up what Sandusky was doing. LINK

With the NCAA sanctions eliminating 111 wins from Penn State between 1998 and 2011, Joe Paterno is no longer the winningest coach in major college football -- a title he received just 10 days before he was fired in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky scandal.

Paterno, with 298 wins, is now below Florida State's Bobby Bowden, Alabama's Bear Bryant, Glenn Warner and several others. Paterno is now 12th on the list of all coaches in all football divisions.

The punishment fits the crime. Paterno helped cover Sandusky's crimes to protect the football program. Those wins should be taken away.

As to the current Penn State players, they can transfer without penalty. Yes it still sucks for them. They trusted Penn State. At least they weren't treated as bad as kids that also trusted Penn State, though the current (and later former) assistant coach allowed to bring the kids on campus for his aims. That's where the focus should be, about who was hurt most by trusting Penn State.

I agree the football program and administrators haven't been punished enough.

[Daseal]

Perhaps so that a pedophile protector doesn't hold one of the most coveted titles in college athletics?

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Perhaps so that a pedophile protector doesn't hold one of the most coveted titles in college athletics?

Bobby Bowden was no saint either. Nothing THIS BAD but that's not what we should be focusing on. Record books are meaningless in the big picture.

Shutting them down would hopefully open up the eyes of everyone who helped hide this, including the fans. Around the campus, this was not only known to be going on, it was a joke. They even named an ice cream flavor after the monster.

[mooby]

I'm satisfied with these punishments. It doesn't matter that they didn't "kill" the program, because the program is going to suffer for god knows how long. 4 years of no bowl games, and 15 scholarships? They are going to get their asses handed to them year after year. Plus the kids that are there now get the opportunity to transfer and not have to wait.

If I were a student, and not a top 15 player, who would want to play for them, knowing they'd most likely have to pay full cost to go there and not be eligible for a bowl game for 4 seasons? I don't think this scenario is likely to happen but imagine if they had barely enough players to field a team? Paterno's wins from the entire period get vacated, and they sufficiently harmed the program enough that we probably won't see it in the top 25 for another decade. I could see people being pissed if the program was allowed to continue and was still in the top 25, but as the old saying goes, out of sight, out of mind. If anything people will enjoy it more seeing their current program become bottom-feeders, getting their asses handed to them 62-7 every game.

[NC_Skins]

Hard for PSU to move forward when they continue to have douchebags like this on the BoT.


Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano says full board wasn't advised of NCAA agreement | PennLive.com

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Hard for PSU to move forward when they continue to have douchebags like this on the BoT.


Penn State Trustee Anthony Lubrano says full board wasn't advised of NCAA agreement | PennLive.com

Reading that and the comment section has me shaking my head. Amazing some people still dont get it.

When I read PSU fans call the Freeh report baseless, incomplete, baised, etc. makes think the government should clear everyone out of Happy Valley and the military should just nuke Beaver Stadium and destory the surrounding area. These people just dont seem to get it...its extremely disturbing.

[NC_Skins]

Graham Gano ‏@GrahamGano

My buddy just texted me and said, "Congratulations, you just won the 2005 Orange Bowl.


I had to laugh at this tweet by Gano.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Graham Gano ‏@GrahamGano

My buddy just texted me and said, "Congratulations, you just won the 2005 Orange Bowl.


I had to laugh at this tweet by Gano.

That is pretty funny.

[NC_Skins]

The ball has just begun to roll.

Penn State losing recruits because of penalties - Sports News from USA Today


Say goodbye to that #1 QB recruit.

[NC_Skins]

Some more well versed PSU fans articulating their displeasure. Don't these idiots know they are attaching their names to such hateful words?


"I HOPE U ALL FUCKIN DIE" And Other Reasoned, Measured Responses To The NCAA's Penn State Punishment


Hope their employers find out. (or future ones)

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Some more well versed PSU fans articulating their displeasure. Don't these idiots know they are attaching their names to such hateful words?


"I HOPE U ALL ****IN DIE" And Other Reasoned, Measured Responses To The NCAA's Penn State Punishment


Hope their employers find out. (or future ones)

All i can say is Penn State has some dumb students and some even dumber fans. Nobody in their right mind right now would offer these guys one ounce of support. The NCAA had to do what they did. Facts are facts. F Joe Paterno, may he eternally rot in h*ll along with Jerry Sandusky.

Feel bad for the innocent people who were there just trying to get an education but i have a real issue with anyone who is protesting the NCAA's decision or the school's decision to remove the Joe Paterno statue.