The 2010 Draft QB Class could be Historically Awful

celts32 · 11-29-2011, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Given time and weapons, especially in Josh McDaniels offense I think Bradford can be a top 8 QB. For his sake, I hope if they make a move on Spags they leave McDaniels in place and get him some receivers to work with.

I agree...he could be good in that offense. It just wasn't gonna happen in the 1st year with no off season.

skinsfaninok · 11-29-2011, 12:52 PM

Sam has BY FAR the worst Offense to work with.. Other than SJAX Who else does he have?? Give him the 49ers or heck even Cards offense and he'd be in the pro bowl

mredskins · 11-29-2011, 01:07 PM

To say Bradford is a bust is just plain dumb.

GTripp0012 · 11-29-2011, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mredskins

To say Bradford is a bust is just plain dumb.

He's basically been JaMarcus Russell through two seasons.

I'm not saying that better times aren't in the future for Sam Bradford. He does a lot of "NFL things" really well already. But Bradford, at his best, has a long way to go to even be competent. He's going to need a lot of help really fast. Which is something that the Rams (and to be fair, the Redskins) vastly underestimated on draft day.

celts32 · 11-29-2011, 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's basically been JaMarcus Russell through two seasons.

I'm not saying that better times aren't in the future for Sam Bradford. He does a lot of "NFL things" really well already. But Bradford, at his best, has a long way to go to even be competent. He's going to need a lot of help really fast. Which is something that the Rams (and to be fair, the Redskins) vastly underestimated on draft day.

Jamarcus Russell? So your comparing him to one of the top 2 or 3 QB busts of all time? That's flat out rediculous. Look at his rookie season. He played well last year...Russell never played well. Maybe he never pans out like me and some others think but he is already 1000 times better then Russell.

GTripp0012 · 11-29-2011, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by celts32

Jamarcus Russell? So your comparing him to one of the top 2 or 3 QB busts of all time? That's flat out rediculous. Look at his rookie season. He played well last year...Russell never played well. Maybe he never pans out like me and some others think but he is already 1000 times better then Russell.

Wait, who can honestly say that it's definitely going to get better from here? Bradford played well last year? I suppose he did when you consider he was a rookie, but their second years are basically identical. And that would seem to negate the idea that he performed great under the circumstances.

I'm not saying young players don't improve, and I had Bradford projected to be really good coming out of Oklahoma, but if he keeps playing like this, he's going to bust. Bradford needs to get a lot better. And it's unclear at this point whether his organization is going to be able to provide him much help.

The Rams should definitely give him more weapons/another year. But we shouldn't avoid being cautiously pessimistic here.

celts32 · 11-29-2011, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Wait, who can honestly say that it's definitely going to get better from here? Bradford played well last year? I suppose he did when you consider he was a rookie, but their second years are basically identical. And that would seem to negate the idea that he performed great under the circumstances.

I'm not saying young players don't improve, and I had Bradford projected to be really good coming out of Oklahoma, but if he keeps playing like this, he's going to bust. Bradford needs to get a lot better. And it's unclear at this point whether his organization is going to be able to provide him much help.

The Rams should definitely give him more weapons/another year. But we shouldn't avoid being cautiously pessimistic here.

Bradford could eventually be a bust but the Russell analogy was a poor choice. Russell looked out of shape, lost and ill prepared in every game he ever played in. Bradford has already had a better career then Russell did.

NC_Skins · 11-29-2011, 01:21 PM

Ever thought it has more to do with the team and surrounding talent they have? Notice the difference between San Fran and Tampa Bay.

Steve Young: Career Stats at NFL.com

OMG HE"S A BUST BECAUSE HE"S NOT AVERAGING 15.6 YARDS PER PASS AND HE'S NOT ELITE AFTER HIS FIRST YEAR!!

GTripp0012 · 11-29-2011, 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ever thought it has more to do with the team and surrounding talent they have? Notice the difference between San Fran and Tampa Bay.

Steve Young: Career Stats at NFL.com

OMG HE"S A BUST BECAUSE HE"S NOT AVERAGING 15.6 YARDS PER PASS AND HE'S NOT ELITE AFTER HIS FIRST YEAR!!

Read this when you get a chance.

List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

NC_Skins · 11-29-2011, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Read this when you get a chance.

List of fallacies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How is that a illogical fallacy? Steve Young sucked at Tampa Bay, but goes to a stacked San Fran team and becomes a hall of famer. The team surrounding the QB has a lot to do with how good they become or how hard they fail.

CrustyRedskin · 11-29-2011, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

He's basically been JaMarcus Russell through two seasons.

I'm not saying that better times aren't in the future for Sam Bradford. He does a lot of "NFL things" really well already. But Bradford, at his best, has a long way to go to even be competent. He's going to need a lot of help really fast. Which is something that the Rams (and to be fair, the Redskins) vastly underestimated on draft day.

If i had to rate your +14,000 posts, I'd say this is your lowest moment.

lol, Just kiddin GTripp!!

GTripp0012 · 11-29-2011, 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrustyRedskin

If i had to rate your 14,00 + posts, I'd say this is your lowest moment,

Duly noted. We will all reflect on this moment in five years as a low point in Warpath history.

CrustyRedskin · 11-29-2011, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Duly noted. We will all reflect on this moment in five years as a low point in Warpath history.

LOL!! But my posts on the other hand bring nothing but pure non biased journalism to the table of top notch caliber, inwhich everyone agrees on.

skinsfaninok · 11-29-2011, 01:22 PM

This QB talk is crazy

REDSKINS4ever · 11-30-2011, 07:38 AM

It's still too soon to say whether or not the 2010 draft class is great or terrible. Clausen is the only QB from that draft class that's seemingly a bust. Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, and Colt McCoy all possess the potential to be great. All they need around them is play makers.

11-29-2011, 12:52 PM	#2
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 39 Posts: 36,242	Re: The 2010 Draft QB Class could be Historically Awful Sam has BY FAR the worst Offense to work with.. Other than SJAX Who else does he have?? Give him the 49ers or heck even Cards offense and he'd be in the pro bowl __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

11-29-2011, 01:07 PM	#3
mredskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 13,232	Re: The 2010 Draft QB Class could be Historically Awful To say Bradford is a bust is just plain dumb. __________________ When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!

11-29-2011, 01:21 PM	#8
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,747	Re: The 2010 Draft QB Class could be Historically Awful Ever thought it has more to do with the team and surrounding talent they have? Notice the difference between San Fran and Tampa Bay. Steve Young: Career Stats at NFL.com OMG HE"S A BUST BECAUSE HE"S NOT AVERAGING 15.6 YARDS PER PASS AND HE'S NOT ELITE AFTER HIS FIRST YEAR!! __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty Last edited by NC_Skins; 11-29-2011 at 01:31 PM.

11-29-2011, 01:22 PM	#14
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 39 Posts: 36,242	Re: The 2010 Draft QB Class could be Historically Awful This QB talk is crazy __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

11-30-2011, 07:38 AM	#15
REDSKINS4ever Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Washington, D.C. Posts: 4,117	Re: The 2010 Draft QB Class could be Historically Awful It's still too soon to say whether or not the 2010 draft class is great or terrible. Clausen is the only QB from that draft class that's seemingly a bust. Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, and Colt McCoy all possess the potential to be great. All they need around them is play makers.

The 2010 Draft QB Class could be Historically Awful

Locker Room Main Forum