Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA)

[FRPLG]

An entire industry built on dishonesty.

[mlmpetert]

Hawaii Legislators Considering Controversial Internet Tracking Proposal | TheBlaze.com

The legislature thankfully backed down from this bill pretty quick.

[FRPLG]

The movie industry isn't "running out of ideas". Their wasn't some magical event that removed creativity from the individuals in the industry and potential creatives outside it. They are just reacting to the market. Why would they spend a certain amount of money to make and promote a film that will only make limited money? It's easier (cheaper and less risky) to retread stuff because they can better predict how the market will react. Perhpas the studios were run by more creatively focused individuals in the past and that steered them to try more creative ideas and take gambles...but today they're run by business people who don't care about artistic endeavor but rather making money.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The movie industry isn't "running out of ideas". Their wasn't some magical event that removed creativity from the individuals in the industry and potential creatives outside it. They are just reacting to the market. Why would they spend a certain amount of money to make and promote a film that will only make limited money? It's easier (cheaper and less risky) to retread stuff because they can better predict how the market will react. Perhpas the studios were run by more creatively focused individuals in the past and that steered them to try more creative ideas and take gambles...but today they're run by business people who don't care about artistic endeavor but rather making money.

This.


Piracy and other influences don't stifle creativity. It's a false conception that they want you to believe.(much like the fact they are losing money) It's bogus, false and absolutely no truth to it. They retread crap because they know they can make money off of it because only the American public will be stupid enough to continue buying the same product over and over again, even if it is slightly changed.

Rebooting King Kong 2 times.
Rebooting Bat Man.
Rebooting Spider Man.
Rebooting The Fog.
Rebooting Friday the 13th.
Rebooting Nightmare on Elm Street.
...and so on.


If these guys were losing money, they'd never create these reboots. The fact is, they know good and well they'll cash in even if it is the same material.

[NC_Skins]

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Just like how folks supported American slaves by buying cotton. Yep, no way the top dogs would hoard most of the money for themselves.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The movie industry isn't "running out of ideas". Their wasn't some magical event that removed creativity from the individuals in the industry and potential creatives outside it. They are just reacting to the market. Why would they spend a certain amount of money to make and promote a film that will only make limited money? It's easier (cheaper and less risky) to retread stuff because they can better predict how the market will react. Perhpas the studios were run by more creatively focused individuals in the past and that steered them to try more creative ideas and take gambles...but today they're run by business people who don't care about artistic endeavor but rather making money.

No one really said Hollywood was running out of ideas. We're just saying Hollywood has not been as creative as it appears it has been in the past. And it's possible that reasoning is because they are focusing on the "sure thing" big name movie. Kind of makes me think Vinny Cerrato is managing Hollywood...lol!

But, I would also argue if Hollywood is being run more by business men, then those businessmen obviously are stuck in the past in regards to distribution of their works.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

No one really said Hollywood was running out of ideas. We're just saying Hollywood has not been as creative as it appears it has been in the past. And it's possible that reasoning is because they are focusing on the "sure thing" big name movie. Kind of makes me think Vinny Cerrato is managing Hollywood...lol!

But, I would also argue if Hollywood is being run more by business men, then those businessmen obviously are stuck in the past in regards to distribution of their works.

Yeah exactly. I would also guess that that more entertainment is being consumed now than ever before, because entertainment is cheaper, more readily available, and because of unrelated technological advances that give us much more time to spend entertaining ourselves. With so much demand, retreading old stuff allows suppliers to better fulfill that demand.

But I would say that there may have been a bit of a “magical moment” that changed creativity once creator and consumer were both given the immediate ability to have cultural and historical reference to everything and anything. Generation Y has so far failed at creating a musical genre and many of the products that people from all surviving generations want seem to take cues from the past; from movies to cars to art and fashion. Current artistic creativity seems to be less fully original and it seems this all started when we entered the “information age”.

[JoeRedskin]

Out of curiosity, I googled the top money making movies of 2011. They are:
1. Cars 2
2. Harry Potter Deathly Hallows, Part II
3. The Twilight Saga, Breaking Dawn (Part One)
4. Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger Tides
5. The Hangover 2
6. Thor
7. Super 8
8. Green Lantern
9. X-Men: First Class
10. The Muppets

As I see it, of these, only "Super 8" was a film developed from an original idea with film as the originally intended medium.

Just saying ...

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Out of curiosity, I googled the top money making movies of 2011. They are:
1. Cars 2
2. Harry Potter Deathly Hallows, Part II
3. The Twilight Saga, Breaking Dawn (Part One)
4. Pirates of the Carribean: On Stranger Tides
5. The Hangover 2
6. Thor
7. Super 8
8. Green Lantern
9. X-Men: First Class
10. The Muppets

As I see it, of these, only "Super 8" was a film developed from an original idea with film as the originally intended medium.

Just saying ...

So are you arguing pirating causes the film industry from being original? The film industry hasn't been original long before the internet was even around. I think the majority of movies and plots were derived from books.


Based on the Book: Movie Release Year | mymcpl.org - Mid-Continent Public Library




8 Kick-Ass Movies You Didn't Know Were Based on Books | Cracked.com

[NC_Skins]

Occupy Collin County Blog Subpoena’d for Identities of All Posters and Commenters | Occupy Collin County


Occupy protester's Twitter posts subpoenaed - Technology & science - Tech and gadgets - msnbc.com



Not becoming a police state? I beg to differ. They want to squelch the peasants as much as possible and they are going to trample on any civil right they deem necessary to do it.

Killing the content and people spreading the word keeps the people separated from a single movement. Simple concept. Control the message, and you control the people. Which is why they really want control over the internet.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Occupy Collin County Blog Subpoena’d for Identities of All Posters and Commenters | Occupy Collin County


Occupy protester's Twitter posts subpoenaed - Technology & science - Tech and gadgets - msnbc.com



Not becoming a police state? I beg to differ. They want to squelch the peasants as much as possible and they are going to trample on any civil right they deem necessary to do it.

Killing the content and people spreading the word keeps the people separated from a single movement. Simple concept. Control the message, and you control the people. Which is why they really want control over the internet.

Who is this "they" you are talking about. This is about Vale Krenik vs a protester subpeonaing Tweets and the "victim" is getting help filing a counter motion.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Who is this "they" you are talking about. This is about Vale Krenik vs a protester subpeonaing Tweets and the "victim" is getting help filing a counter motion.

So you are to believe it's just random lawyer out of nowhere subpenaing these names for his divorce case?...lol (another case was cited as well)


People with power, want to stay in power. It's the nature of humanity. People kill and steal over wealth and power all the time. People use other pawns and soldiers to do their bidding in power plays. If the people with power can gain some leverage or upper hand by obtaining these IDs, then they sure as hell are going to do it.

The fact the judges issued the subpenas to begin with is a joke. Should be disbarred from practicing law.

[Dirtbag59]

It's not just the retread movies. It's the whole damn business model.

Basically the MPAA wants you to go to a theater, pay $10 to watch one showing, where you can't pause and have to hope that you're not sharing the theater with someone who is more then willing to talk on their phone during the movie. Then they want you to wait 6 months or something like that and either pay $5-$7 to rent or pay $20 for a DVD and $30-$50 for a Blu-Ray. Heck on I-Tunes they charge $20 for HD versions of movies and $14 for SD versions and those are designed for use only on ipods and computers.

They have little desire to licence these movies to affordable streaming services nor any desire to reduce the price on home DVD's and Blu-Rays which by the way come with unskippable trailers and PSA's. It's no wonder their main demographic, teens to young adults, turned to piracy.

The price was already way to high and when free options became available enough people jumped on board. The need to make their content more affordable and accessible has been long overdue and instead of doing that they've opted to raise prices and make legitimate options harder to come by.

Not to mention rather then create good will with the public they've attacked their customers with lawsuits, threats, and power grabs with bills like SOPA. And the funny thing is that Hollywoods main demographic, the one doing most of if not all the downloading, is teens to young adults. A whole group of people that absolutely love pissing off old people.

[FRPLG]

Yeah it is too expensive...but it does costs millions to make these movies. I am constantly baffled at the amount of money they spend to produce these movies.