The "Inside Word" on the QB Search

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

That's not worth moving just 4 spots I doubt we'd have to give that much

#Hail to the Redskins

Agreed. Plus the chance that the Rams would take RGIII is slim. If we move up, we only have to move to #3.

[SBXVII]

SkinzWiz,

Also the reason it has not panned out is because the team has been going after old aged QB's.

McNabb
Brunell

I'd throw in Grossman and Beck but in reality they are not really aged but they aren't or shouldn't be starting QB's either. Flynn is better then Grossman and Beck. Thats a start. Plus he's still somewhat young and not banged up like McNabb and Brunell were. I'd still take a QB in the draft maybe even RGIII if it still didn't cost too much. Otherwise I'd take someone like Tannehill OR WHOEVER ELSE that fits our system to be developed.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

SkinzWiz,

Also the reason it has not panned out is because the team has been going after old aged QB's.

McNabb
Brunell

I'd throw in Grossman and Beck but in reality they are not really aged but they aren't or shouldn't be starting QB's either. Flynn is better then Grossman and Beck. Thats a start. Plus he's still somewhat young and not banged up like McNabb and Brunell were. I'd still take a QB in the draft maybe even RGIII if it still didn't cost too much. Otherwise I'd take someone like Tannehill OR WHOEVER ELSE that fits our system to be developed.

SkinzWiz, lol that's a pretty good one. Maybe I should change my name to that. I agree going after Flynn is not as bad as perpetuating the cycle of aged veterans like McNabb and Brunell. I am just leery of putting our eggs in the Flynn basket. A guy with limited NFL experience who was not highly rated out of college, didn't get drafted high. He is exceeding now because of the system and talent he has around him, which he would not have here.
I can see Flynn being more like Kolb than like Brady. Brady is a once in a decade diamond in the rough.

You can see the physical skill set RGIII has. He has accuracy. He is mobile. I just feel like if we don't trade up for him we are doing nothing more than settling for less than what we could have had at QB and I'm tired of settling. Or "waiting" until next year to get our guy.

[skinsfaninok]

Don't be so fast to rule out MIN as a suitor for RG3, Remember Ponder was benched a couple times for Webb.. Unlikely but JS


Mock Drafts Central

Horrible mock for the skins

[Shadowbyte]

Throw those RG3 dreams out of the window. I knew this would happen. Thanks to Arthur Blank Cleveland is definitely going to land RG3 next year and not the Redskins. Another strike against this hapless regime who hasn't done anything yet to improve our team from where it stood prior to them coming in. This will be the 3rd year in a row where these clowns were unable to land a franchise QB. I know my vitriol is premature but Cleveland has more to offer than we do. I even went to numerous Cleveland Browns forums and their fans are clamoring for him. Not saying the fans will dictate who Holmgren drafts but will most certainly have some degree of influence once the local media pressure kicks in to high gear.

PROJECTED TRADE: Several teams are going to try and move up to get Griffin but the Browns have the most ammo -- the fourth overall pick and a late first-rounder or high picks in later rounds. Cleveland needs Griffin -- and wants him, according to league sources -- and the Rams will still get their man.

Mock Drafts 2012: Richardson could slip to Bengals at No. 17

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Throw those RG3 dreams out of the window. I knew this would happen. Thanks to Arthur Blank Cleveland is definitely going to land RG3 next year and not the Redskins. Another strike against this hapless regime who hasn't done anything yet to improve our team from where it stood prior to them coming in.

PROJECTED TRADE: Several teams are going to try and move up to get Griffin but the Browns have the most ammo -- the fourth overall pick and a late first-rounder or high picks in later rounds. Cleveland needs Griffin -- and wants him, according to league sources -- and the Rams will still get their man.

Mock Drafts 2012: Richardson could slip to Bengals at No. 17

I happen to not believe that we will trade up for Griffin. But what are you getting so worked up over? It's just a rumor you've posted.

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I happen to not believe that we will trade up for Griffin. But what are you getting so worked up over? It's just a rumor you've posted.

That's because this regime has proven that they can't get the players they really want and need. 2 years in a row the Shannahan's had to "settle" for the player they drafted. All while I'm seeing other teams making moves to get the player they "want" and "need". Despite his numerous flaws at-least Cerrato was able to get the players he wanted, unlike these clowns who actually thought Grossman was the answer to our most pressing need.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

That's because this regime has proven that they can't get the players they really want and need. 2 years in a row the Shannahan's had to "settle" for the player they drafted. All while I'm seeing other teams making moves to get the player they "want" and "need". Despite his numerous flaws at-least Cerrato was able to get the players he wanted, unlike these clowns who actually thought Grossman was the answer to our most pressing need.

What are you talking about? 1.) You really think the Redskins settled Ryan Kerrigan, Roy Helu, Jenkins, Hankeson etc.? 2.) You're acting like the Browns have already traded up for RG3, they might but they haven't yet 3.)If Cerrato got the players he wanted we wouldn't be talking about RG3 because we'd already have our QB in Jay Cutler 4.) Why do people think this FO gave up some big amount to get Rex? He is not and never has been a long term solution

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What are you talking about? 1.) You really think the Redskins settled Ryan Kerrigan, Roy Helu, Jenkins, Hankeson etc.? 2.) You're acting like the Browns have already traded up for RG3, they might but they haven't yet 3.)If Cerrato got the players he wanted we wouldn't be talking about RG3 because we'd already have our QB in Jay Cutler 4.) Why do people think this FO gave up some big amount to get Rex? He is not and never has been a long term solution

Yes we settled for Ryan Kerrigan(im not saying he's not good), that's why we traded back. You don't trade back unless the player you really wanted was already drafted. Roy Helu was a third stringer who only got to play when Hightower went down and Torrain was released, he wasn't drafted to be a starter. Hankerson, was a good pick, but Shannahan still sat him on the bench and allowed his old guys like Stalworth and Gaffney get a majority of the snaps. Without getting a franchise QB were looking at more 6-10 seasons for years to come.

The Shannhans have done nothing to prove that can acquire, draft, or develop an elite QB. I'm tired of everyone making excuses for the Shannhans ineptitude. I'm actually more pissed that we didn't get Jake Locker last year, someone who we could of dealt for and landed. Now we're going to have to "settle" for whatever 2nd rate QB is out there since the Shannahans are incapable of getting a true franchise QB.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Throw those RG3 dreams out of the window. I knew this would happen. Thanks to Arthur Blank Cleveland is definitely going to land RG3 next year and not the Redskins. Another strike against this hapless regime who hasn't done anything yet to improve our team from where it stood prior to them coming in. This will be the 3rd year in a row where these clowns were unable to land a franchise QB. I know my vitriol is premature but Cleveland has more to offer than we do. I even went to numerous Cleveland Browns forums and their fans are clamoring for him. Not saying the fans will dictate who Holmgren drafts but will most certainly have some degree of influence once the local media pressure kicks in to high gear.

PROJECTED TRADE: Several teams are going to try and move up to get Griffin but the Browns have the most ammo -- the fourth overall pick and a late first-rounder or high picks in later rounds. Cleveland needs Griffin -- and wants him, according to league sources -- and the Rams will still get their man.

Mock Drafts 2012: Richardson could slip to Bengals at No. 17

Uh, yeah. This isn't a scenario that hasn't been realized.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

Throw those RG3 dreams out of the window. I knew this would happen. Thanks to Arthur Blank Cleveland is definitely going to land RG3 next year and not the Redskins. Another strike against this hapless regime who hasn't done anything yet to improve our team from where it stood prior to them coming in. This will be the 3rd year in a row where these clowns were unable to land a franchise QB. I know my vitriol is premature but Cleveland has more to offer than we do. I even went to numerous Cleveland Browns forums and their fans are clamoring for him. Not saying the fans will dictate who Holmgren drafts but will most certainly have some degree of influence once the local media pressure kicks in to high gear.

PROJECTED TRADE: Several teams are going to try and move up to get Griffin but the Browns have the most ammo -- the fourth overall pick and a late first-rounder or high picks in later rounds. Cleveland needs Griffin -- and wants him, according to league sources -- and the Rams will still get their man.

Mock Drafts 2012: Richardson could slip to Bengals at No. 17

I vehemently disagree with your post. Shanahan is the first coach in a long time that's coming in here and rebuilding this franchise the right way. Of course there were some misses, but there isn't a single organization that doesn't make mistakes. I remember this board clamoring when McNabb was brought in and the move heavily praised by fans.

Shannahan stated that his focus was on the defense and switching a 4-3 to a 3-4. Our defense went from 31st last season to 13th this season. If we improve our secondary I see this defense being formidble for many years to come. Especially as the players continue to understand the 3-4 and we get players built for the type of scheme we're running.

In addition, Shanahan throughout his career has had succesful offenses. I think we see an emphasis on building a potent offense in DC and I have no doubt he is capable of doing that. He didn't get fired in Denver because his offense wasn't producing. His defense was absolutely pathetic.

It takes time to rebuild a team. While Griffin is a great prospect, he isn't a sure thing. Can you imagine giving up 4-6 fairly high picks for a player and not have him pan out? I can imagine it now. Fans and media crucifying Shanahan for such a 'stupid move.' If going up to get RGIII is affordable, then I'm all for it -- but if it will cost the farm, stay put or move back and continue to build the entire team.

As I said in another thread. I could see us going after an FA QB such as Flynn. Blackmon or Floyd (hopefully Blackmon) in the 1st, then Foles/Tannehill in the 2nd. I want to see Washington build a perrenial winner. I'm fine taking some lumps in order to get both a scheme and young personnel established.

took the 31st ranked defense to the 13th ranked defense

[Shadowbyte]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I vehemently disagree with your post. Shanahan is the first coach in a long time that's coming in here and rebuilding this franchise the right way.

And I vehemently disagree since nothing he's done thus far has translated into more wins. Until he does I will continue to judge him by his record.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

And I vehemently disagree since nothing he's done thus far has translated into more wins. Until he does I will continue to judge him by his record.

So you are telling me that this team is no better or worse than last year and the year before?!?

You have to have all the pieces before you can put the puzzle together. Otherwise you spend all that time flipping all the pieces right side up (drafting and FA), putting the boarders together (strengthening and developing mental and physical skills) only to find that your puzzle is incomplete and doesn't look right (can't win games).

We are in a better place than we were two years ago regardless of our record, and if you refuse to see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Shadowbyte

And I vehemently disagree since nothing he's done thus far has translated into more wins. Until he does I will continue to judge him by his record.

When rebuilding a team you cannot expect instant gratification. We've tried that route before. You're probably the first guy blasting Dan Snyder when we go out and get free agents or mortgage picks for a higher pick/player. What I've seen is an increase in the amount of young talent we have on our roster. Our draft last year was one of the best in the NFL. We had multiple young players contributing to this team.

Kerrigan played well all season, Helu/Royster stepped it up late, Hurt/Neild both did well in some reserve time. Hankerson had one good game then got hurt, but we saw some talent there. I typically give WRs 3 years to start to produce before giving up, so he is ahead of the all-important Daseal schedule!

There seems to be so much hate pointed towards Shanny and I simply don't see it. Our team was bad this season, but I see a lot of positives to build on which is not typically how I see this Redskins team.

[SBXVII]

I'm telling you RGIII won't make it to us and there will be a bidding war...

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