2012 NFL Draft-QB Prospects (Chapter 5)

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Just picture it:

QB Robert Griffin III
RB Roy Helu
RB Evan Royster
WR Vincent Jackson
WR Leonard Hankerson
WR Santana Moss/Emergence of Aldrick Robinson/Eddie Royal
TE Fred Davis
TE Chris Cooley
LT Trent Williams
LG Kory Litchensteiger
C David Molk (3rd or 4th round pick)
RG Chris Chester
RT Willie Smith

This isn't McDonalds but I'm lovin' it.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Just picture it:

QB Robert Griffin III
RB Roy Helu
RB Evan Royster
WR Vincent Jackson
WR Leonard Hankerson
WR Santana Moss/Emergence of Aldrick Robinson/Eddie Royal
TE Fred Davis
TE Chris Cooley
LT Trent Williams
LG Kory Litchensteiger
C David Molk (3rd or 4th round pick)
RG Chris Chester
RT Willie Smith

This isn't McDonalds but I'm lovin' it.

This is my concern, you don't like montgomery/your gonna replace him when our LG is coming off an ACL and MCL tear and our RT situation was suspect throughout the year with brown and polumbus and willie smith?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

This is my concern, you don't like montgomery/your gonna replace him when our LG is coming off an ACL and MCL tear and our RT situation was suspect throughout the year with brown and polumbus and willie smith?

Willie Smith played pretty well I don't dislike Monte I just think Molk is am upgrade and nothing has shown that Litchensteiger wont be ready next year

[GTripp0012]

If I was in charge, I would trade up to third overall, assuming I could get a decent deal from the Vikings (no 2013 first rounder). Doing so would force the Rams' hand. Sure they still could trade the pick to someone for Griffin, or then they could take Griffin themselves, but I'd be totally okay with having Justin Blackmon or Matt Kalil as a contingency plan. Third overall is a good spot to be in this draft.

I think, ultimately, it would be a much cheaper way of landing Robert Griffin. The Browns aren't going to move up for him. The Dolphins or Seahawks might, but I think the number one most likely scenario where Griffin isn't around at number two is that the Rams take him.

I think if he's sitting there at fourth overall, Cleveland probably takes him. But I think they will be extremely hesitant to go up.

Obviously this only matters if there is a heavy bidding war for the second overall pick and relatively nothing for the third overall pick. It makes a lot more sense in that case to be in the third slot.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If I was in charge, I would trade up to third overall, assuming I could get a decent deal from the Vikings (no 2013 first rounder). Doing so would force the Rams' hand. Sure they still could trade the pick to someone for Griffin, or then they could take Griffin themselves, but I'd be totally okay with having Justin Blackmon or Matt Kalil as a contingency plan. Third overall is a good spot to be in this draft.

I think, ultimately, it would be a much cheaper way of landing Robert Griffin. The Browns aren't going to move up for him. The Dolphins or Seahawks might, but I think the number one most likely scenario where Griffin isn't around at number two is that the Rams take him.

I think if he's sitting there at fourth overall, Cleveland probably takes him. But I think they will be extremely hesitant to go up.

Obviously this only matters if there is a heavy bidding war for the second overall pick and relatively nothing for the third overall pick. It makes a lot more sense in that case to be in the third slot.

Might as well just wait to see who the Rams pick then try to move up if he's there. I doubt the Vikings consider trading the pick anyway until they know who went second.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Might as well just wait to see who the Rams pick then try to move up if he's there. I doubt the Vikings consider trading the pick anyway until they know who went second.

That'd be the safe way to play it, but I think that pick gets a heck of a lot more expensive if Griffin is still there with Cleveland picking later. At that point, it might be just as costly as going to get the second pick.

By trading up to no. 3 a few days before the draft, it does define your intentions re: RG3, but with Cleveland sitting at no. 4, you're really not changing the market any. You just position yourself for a quarterback while taking the Rams out of their power position with that pick. They can take best offer for the pick or they can select Griffin themselves, but knowing very well that the Redskins (and Browns) are now direct competition to them for guys they want (Griffin, Kalil, Blackmon), it should make the Rams a lot more hesitant to trade the pick.

By trading up to three a couple days before the draft, you're basically beating everyone to the punch and killing the market for the Rams at no. 2.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That'd be the safe way to play it, but I think that pick gets a heck of a lot more expensive if Griffin is still there with Cleveland picking later. At that point, it might be just as costly as going to get the second pick.

By trading up to no. 3 a few days before the draft, it does define your intentions re: RG3, but with Cleveland sitting at no. 4, you're really not changing the market any. You just position yourself for a quarterback while taking the Rams out of their power position with that pick. They can take best offer for the pick or they can select Griffin themselves, but knowing very well that the Redskins (and Browns) are now direct competition to them for guys they want (Griffin, Kalil, Blackmon), it should make the Rams a lot more hesitant to trade the pick.

By trading up to three a couple days before the draft, you're basically beating everyone to the punch and killing the market for the Rams at no. 2.

I get your overall logic of moving up to 3, but some of your points don't make sense to me. The Rams are in the power position simply because they pick ahead of us (& Browns). They will use that leverage to the very end I would imagine regardless of whether we trade up to 3 or not. If we're at 3 & they are still getting good offers for that pick, they'll trade it if it works for them.

If anything, us trading to 3 merely ups the price for Cleveland or others & makes the pick more valuable. The Rams are in a good position, they can get the player they want or land a lot of high round picks. That doesn't change that much if we trade up to 3 IMO.

[diehard]

Drafting RG3 compensates for a lack talent all around. That's why he's valued with a team like this.

[Shadowbyte]

No way would I trade with the Vikings which would open up an opportunity for the Cleveland Browns to trade up with St.Louis and steal our QB. Yeah I said it, our QB I'm content with Bruce giving up 2 1st rounders. That's the price you have to pay for a franchise QB in today's passing league.

[IrMitchell]

Ladies and Gentlemen, Chandler Harnish from his senior year.

You Tube

I know it's a highlight tape, but impressive for a guy nobody is talking about yet.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Ladies and Gentlemen, Chandler Harnish from his senior year.
Chandler Harnish: 2011 MAC MVP - YouTube


I know it's a highlight tape, but impressive for a guy nobody is talking about yet.

I see one concern is he does not taking any snaps from under center so this will hurt him when scouts look at the tape. He will be a late round project.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by IrMitchell

Ladies and Gentlemen, Chandler Harnish from his senior year.
Chandler Harnish: 2011 MAC MVP - YouTube


I know it's a highlight tape, but impressive for a guy nobody is talking about yet.

I guess he does not take any snaps from under center in his college offense. This will hurt his draft stock.

[Alvin Walton]

I like Harnish. If for some reason we dont get a QB in the first round I'd take a shot at him later.

[MonkFan4Life]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Do what you have to do to get RGIII or Luck. Just make the trade. No Flynn, no Hoyer (Really? Hoyer?) No Tannehill, No Foles, give the Rams 2012 1st rounder , 2013 1st rounder, 2012 3rd rounder, 2013 4th rounder or replace 2012 3rd rounder with 2012 2nd rounder and draft your QB.

As far as WR goes 3rd round possibilities: Ryan Broyles, Dwight Jones, Marvin McNutt, sign Vincent Jackson or Dwayne Bowe or DeSean Jackson.

If this were Facebook I would like this!

[redskins5044]

I guess it makes sense to trade for #3 pick since it will be cheaper, but better have a backup plan for QB just in case some leap frogs us or rams take him. Cause after luck and griffin no other QB IMO is starter material in the draft. So if they go this route then they better have signed a veteran QB just in case.