QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

On a change of pace, Peyton Manning is working out at Duke now, i'm sure many of you have heard already.

Bill Pollian paints a grim picture though of what Manning actually looks like these days. He said he isn't even close to his old form. Peyton also cannot throw to the left, and he cannot throw across his body because of the nerve damage he can't feel it.

Receivers also say that Peyton doesn't have any zip on the ball, his arm is basically gone.

Dang i can't believe he would try and come back and play if he is that damaged. I knew his arm was suspect after the surgeries, but i had no idea he basically has gotten no better over the last 18 months.

I guess this is the way he is going to be. Can't beleive some team is going to sign him if he is that bad.

Somebody that is more knowledgeble than me, would the Redskins still try and sign Manning if he is just a shell of his former self? (and most accounts have him looking that way).

This is some grim picture

Polian predicts Peyton will return “at a high level” | ProFootballTalk

Polian contradicted reports that Peyton hasn’t been able to throw effectively.

“It’s marked [improvement] from where he was back in September,” Polian said regarding Peyton’s arm strength in December, when Polian last observed Manning. “He threw it accurately, he threw it with a good, tight spiral, and he threw it with velocity. Generally, he looked like a pretty confident quarterback out there.”

This meshes with recent comments from Colts kicker Adam Vinatieri, who said last week that Peyton “definitely is not that far off.”

[Dirtbag59]

Former Colts vice chairman and six-time executive of the year Bill Polian said without hesitation Thursday on SiriusXM Blitz that a report of Payton Manning’s arm strength is not accurate.

Polian refuted comments made Wednesday by Indianapolis Star reporter Bob Kravitz on Tony Kornheiser’s radio show, calling them simply “untrue.” He went further, saying that he saw Manning throw on New Year’s Eve and Manning showed, "quick release, good zip, but it was capped at about 25 yards.”

[NC_Skins]

Is it assholish (FD school of language student) of me to want to see another team leap us and grab RGIII just so I can see many of those guys at ES implode?


I think I would make an account just so I could post this.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Is it assholish (FD school of language student) of me to want to see another team leap us and grab RGIII just so I can see many of those guys at ES implode?


I think I would make an account just so I could post this.

I think it is more ignorant because if you'd rather prove a point to a web forum rather fthan potentially have a solid qb .... not to say he's guaranteed to be that

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I think it is more ignorant because if you'd rather prove a point to a web forum rather fthan potentially have a solid qb .... not to say he's guaranteed to be that

No point to prove. It wasn't a statement in regards to how he'll turn out. It is in reference to how many people have their heart/mind set on us moving up to draft this kid and aren't considering anything else viable. They are setting themselves up for a huge letdown. This doesn't have anything to do with whether I think drafting him is wrong or if I think he'll be a bust. I want the kid, but I'm quite sure that Mike isn't going to trade up to get him. It's just going to be funny to watch all these people explode if or when it doesn't happen.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No point to prove. It wasn't a statement in regards to how he'll turn out. It is in reference to how many people have their heart/mind set on us moving up to draft this kid and aren't considering anything else viable. They are setting themselves up for a huge letdown. This doesn't have anything to do with whether I think drafting him is wrong or if I think he'll be a bust. I want the kid, but I'm quite sure that Mike isn't going to trade up to get him. It's just going to be funny to watch all these people explode if or when it doesn't happen.

I agree that the community that is deadset on the idea of that could likely be disappointed

[Mahons21]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No point to prove. It wasn't a statement in regards to how he'll turn out. It is in reference to how many people have their heart/mind set on us moving up to draft this kid and aren't considering anything else viable. They are setting themselves up for a huge letdown. This doesn't have anything to do with whether I think drafting him is wrong or if I think he'll be a bust. I want the kid, but I'm quite sure that Mike isn't going to trade up to get him. It's just going to be funny to watch all these people explode if or when it doesn't happen.

From a guy who's debated this topic at length with the masses on ES, I can fully agree with your sentiment here.

Some of these guys have literally said;
-They would trade five first round draft choices for RG3
-Gaffney is a #1 receiver

And that's just the tip of the iceberg. Like you I wouldn't mind drafting RG3, if he fell to us at 6, but I don't see that happening. Furthermore I think trading back and snagging Tannehill is a pretty awesome consolation prize. Both RG3 and Tannehill have low floors, and both guys have high ceilings but for different reasons.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

The 3-way trade mentioned here before...

Something like...

Skins get #1 pick
Colts gets #2 pick and other picks
Rams get #6, picks, and Orakpo

Is that right? Wasn't that the idea?

Yes but that trade is not likely at all

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Yes but that trade is not likely at all

That's a fine opinion and all... he just asked how it makes any sense to say it.

IMO there is no way Colts do not take Luck... but this was the proposal on how we'd end up with Luck and Colts would get RGIII.

[Swarley]

The idea is that RGIII is that top flight QB and they get a few picks in the process.

[SmootSmack]

But Polian's not with the Colts anymore so ultimately his opinion is rather irrelevant

[mbedner3420]

I'm looking forward to the time when we aren't debating who we get at QB, but rather whether or not that pick sucked for us... I hate the offseason...

[SBXVII]

^ The bad part is we are kings of the offseason. We are super bowl champs in the offseason then come Sept we always get the rude awakening.

I don't think we as fans will ever stop discussing any position though. If we had our QB set it would be WR, or RB, or FS, or ILB, or something. We fans are so passionate about the team we just want them to win.

[skinsguy]

I keep going back and forth on this QB stuff. I'm such a passionate Redskins fan, that I'm ready to defend whatever move they make in securing a quarterback. I've had to defend the move for Peyton Manning to a couple of friends who are Ravens fans. One said, "I hope they do get Peyton Manning, it will be very "Redskin" of them. They are too many players away from making it to the big dance" When I tried to explain to him how this is NOT the same as signing Deion Sanders or Bruce Smith, he goes on to say, "It's EXACTLY the same. Peyton is old and the Redskins will overpay to get him like they always do."

In every article I have read, it seems more times than not, the columnist has to put in this line, "The Redskins are always the obvious choice because they like making the big splash in the offseason." Burns me up because, nobody outside of Redskins Park or this close knit family of 'skins fans realize that Vinny Cerrato is no longer employed with the Redskins. The 'skins are under "new management" and Dan Snyder has pretty much delegated himself to stepping out of the spotlight. The last "big name" guy we signed was McNabb, but his contract was not really an outlandish contract.

But anyways, everybody and their brother has said that the Redskins MUST land a quarterback this year, or it's curtains for Shanahan. Those same people will say, "It's the same old Redskins if they pick up Peyton Manning." If the Redskins don't pick up Manning and don't trade up for RGIII, those same people will say, "The Redskins had to settle for another stop gap until they can truly find their guy. <Insert Name Here> just isn't a franchise quarterback." And yet, the same people who say the Redskins are too many players away from making the playoffs are the ones suggesting the 'skins MUST trade up to land RGIII. Doesn't make sense to me, personally. If you're going to argue that the Redskins are several players away from being a good team, then you'd support a move in landing Peyton, because you keep your draft picks and can still draft a good quarterback who could take over in a couple of years. You also have other picks to address those other areas of need.

Yet, when I explain this to them, it's like they all take an ignorant pill. So honestly, I'm so tired trying to explain and defend whatever move we all think the Redskins are going to make. Honestly, I see the sense in getting Peyton, and I see the sense in moving up for RGIII. I'm just like a lot of you guys....tired of not having that franchise QB. I don't think I can wait another season to get him.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I keep going back and forth on this QB stuff. I'm such a passionate Redskins fan, that I'm ready to defend whatever move they make in securing a quarterback. I've had to defend the move for Peyton Manning to a couple of friends who are Ravens fans. One said, "I hope they do get Peyton Manning, it will be very "Redskin" of them. They are too many players away from making it to the big dance" When I tried to explain to him how this is NOT the same as signing Deion Sanders or Bruce Smith, he goes on to say, "It's EXACTLY the same. Peyton is old and the Redskins will overpay to get him like they always do."

In every article I have read, it seems more times than not, the columnist has to put in this line, "The Redskins are always the obvious choice because they like making the big splash in the offseason." Burns me up because, nobody outside of Redskins Park or this close knit family of 'skins fans realize that Vinny Cerrato is no longer employed with the Redskins. The 'skins are under "new management" and Dan Snyder has pretty much delegated himself to stepping out of the spotlight. The last "big name" guy we signed was McNabb, but his contract was not really an outlandish contract.

But anyways, everybody and their brother has said that the Redskins MUST land a quarterback this year, or it's curtains for Shanahan. Those same people will say, "It's the same old Redskins if they pick up Peyton Manning." If the Redskins don't pick up Manning and don't trade up for RGIII, those same people will say, "The Redskins had to settle for another stop gap until they can truly find their guy. <Insert Name Here> just isn't a franchise quarterback." And yet, the same people who say the Redskins are too many players away from making the playoffs are the ones suggesting the 'skins MUST trade up to land RGIII. Doesn't make sense to me, personally. If you're going to argue that the Redskins are several players away from being a good team, then you'd support a move in landing Peyton, because you keep your draft picks and can still draft a good quarterback who could take over in a couple of years. You also have other picks to address those other areas of need.

Yet, when I explain this to them, it's like they all take an ignorant pill. So honestly, I'm so tired trying to explain and defend whatever move we all think the Redskins are going to make. Honestly, I see the sense in getting Peyton, and I see the sense in moving up for RGIII. I'm just like a lot of you guys....tired of not having that franchise QB. I don't think I can wait another season to get him.

Preach it man!

I was feeling the same way during the super bowl this year saying to myself 'God the Skins aren't going to be here for a long, long time'