DCT: Shanahan Leading Redskins in Right Direction

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Meh.....the blog has the same old same old stuff. I breezed thru it. Basically the same angst thats been re hashed here all year.

Mike Shanahan does not have my full support right now because he has screwed the pooch in the QB situation since he got here.
He needs to hit a home run this year or I'm calling for his head.
He needs to work with Kyle more also (or replace him).
I dont trust Kyles play calling for squat.

What specifically are you looking for from Kyle to win you over? I'll couch that by saying we all need to see more scoring production and a higher conversion ratio in the red zone.

But with Kyle's detractors, I often wonder what it is that you perceive is missing purely from a coaching standpoint.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What specifically are you looking for from Kyle to win you over? I'll couch that by saying we all need to see more scoring production and a higher conversion ratio in the red zone.

But with Kyle's detractors, I often wonder what it is that you perceive is missing purely from a coaching standpoint.

Kyle cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by irish

Kyle cant make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Very specific, well done.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

What specifically are you looking for from Kyle to win you over? I'll couch that by saying we all need to see more scoring production and a higher conversion ratio in the red zone.

But with Kyle's detractors, I often wonder what it is that you perceive is missing purely from a coaching standpoint.

Non bizarre play calling with people way out of position for starters.
His age makes me nervous also.
Notice that the Texans finally make the playoffs after he leaves.
I also dont like the father and son thing.
Makes it harder for Mike to fire him if hes blowing it.
His belief in Grossman was total fail.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Non bizarre play calling with people way out of position for starters.
His age makes me nervous also.
Notice that the Texans finally make the playoffs after he leaves.
I also dont like the father and son thing.
Makes it harder for Mike to fire him if hes blowing it.
His belief in Grossman was total fail.

I think this had more to do with the Texans finally getting a defense to go along with their top notch offense.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Non bizarre play calling with people way out of position for starters.
His age makes me nervous also.
Notice that the Texans finally make the playoffs after he leaves.
I also dont like the father and son thing.
Makes it harder for Mike to fire him if hes blowing it.
His belief in Grossman was total fail.

Help me out with 'non bizarre play calling' because 3 of your 6 reasons have more to do with his birth certificate than his coaching ability. So you're saying if his name was Kyle Anderson and he was 54 yrs old you would have less of a problem with him as a coach? The Texans thing has zero to do with him and everything to do with the defense.

I agree that the belief that Grossman would reverse his turnover tendencies was a major mistake but again, what does that have to do with his ability as a play caller?

[redskin29633]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Meh.....the blog has the same old same old stuff. I breezed thru it. Basically the same angst thats been re hashed here all year.

Mike Shanahan does not have my full support right now because he has screwed the pooch in the QB situation since he got here.
He needs to hit a home run this year or I'm calling for his head.
He needs to work with Kyle more also (or replace him).
I dont trust Kyles play calling for squat.

My response to this post is partly an answer and partly question. I beleive that the point on the QB position is somewhat valid and relates in part to the fact that Mike gave Kyle too much leash on recommending/selecting a QB.

On the other hand, I do not blame MS at all for the McNabb mess. As I have said before, I am not an insider like some of you guys obviously are, but my reading of the McNabb situation would tend to point blame directly at Snyder. I recall reading a story that indicated Snyder was parading McNabb around town and introducing him as Redskin QB even before he signed a contract. I think that whole deal was a Snyder ego trip; he lapsed into Jerry Jones mode on that signing.

And so, that's my question. Is my perception of the McNabb mess accurate?

Otherwise, I think the Shanaclan has done a good job with the Redskins rebuild. Certainly, I would not rate their work as great, and there is room for improvement, but on the whole, they seem to have the Redskins moving in a positive direction. While its time to show some improvement, I am generally satisfied with the team's draft and general direction.

[Ruhskins]

My oh my, people are bit feisty these days. Maybe we should have a penalty box set up in the "Super Happy Fun" and "Pics for Sharing" threads to chill people out.

Anyway, back to the article. I wish MS would have done in his first offseason, what I hope he does this offseason: sign a FA QB (without giving up picks) and draft a rookie QB to develop. I think people would have cut him a bit more slack had this happened. Unfortunately, he needs more time because of these wasted two years.

I think this offseason, MS really needs to make some good decisions and no more head-scratchers such as "I'm going with John Beck as my QB" or "I'm giving up a 2nd rounder for McNabb". Also, I'd like to see MS getting the team to win the big games....well I want him to get the team to win all the games, I just don't want to see some of the half-a$$ed performances I saw this season. Finally, I'd like to see some improvisation from this coaching staff. I see Bill Belichick winning games with a make-shift defense that includes a WR playing CB. That guy to me is the king of adjustments. I don't see that in MS, and I'd like to see more of that. I think if the Redskins are going to have a losing season, it better be like Carolina's season, not like that one we just had.

[NC_Skins]

Que GTripp's arrival in t-minus 5....4.....3....2....




Good article, and I've been saying the same thing. He's taken this team from being one of the oldest into a direction of youth, talent, and lower salaries. Vinny/Joe's team never had any depth whatsoever so when the inevitable injury came along, the team would spiral down because there was no young talent brought in because dummy was pissing all the picks away for high priced vets.

I think the thing that bothers me the most is the fans. All too often, you see them wanting Shanahan to do the exact same things that Vinny did. Piss away draft picks on a gamble or sign the big name on the market (Nnamdi).

I love this direction the team is going in, and I think it'll pay off big in the future. This doesn't mean that Mike hasn't made mistakes along the way (McNabb), but more often than not his moves have been justified (cutting portis, thomas,kelly,etc..)


Glad to have you aboard. Nice to see quality posters and don't mind the guys above, they've had their share of blog spammers...lol (not that you fit that profile)

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Que GTripp's arrival in t-minus 5....4.....3....2....




Good article, and I've been saying the same thing. He's taken this team from being one of the oldest into a direction of youth, talent, and lower salaries. Vinny/Joe's team never had any depth whatsoever so when the inevitable injury came along, the team would spiral down because there was no young talent brought in because dummy was pissing all the picks away for high priced vets.

I think the thing that bothers me the most is the fans. All too often, you see them wanting Shanahan to do the exact same things that Vinny did. Piss away draft picks on a gamble or sign the big name on the market (Nnamdi).

I love this direction the team is going in, and I think it'll pay off big in the future. This doesn't mean that Mike hasn't made mistakes along the way (McNabb), but more often than not his moves have been justified (cutting portis, thomas,kelly,etc..)


Glad to have you aboard. Nice to see quality posters and don't mind the guys above, they've had their share of blog spammers...lol (not that you fit that profile)

Ha, I was skimming the thread to see his input on how Shanahan has destroyed the team, gutting the roster of young difference makers like Keiland Williams, Justnin Tryon and Chad Rinehart..

Seriously though, without rehashing everything said already, I feel that next offseason-regardless of the direction we go at QB-we will be having a completely different discussion about Mike & Kyle and the direction of the team.

I haven't heard one analyst (and I don't consider Brian Mitchell an analyst) who blames Kyle's scheme or even play calling for our offensive woes. With either Manning or a drafted QB who will fit what the scheme calls for we will see a dramatic improvement in offensive production.

Mike & Allen have done a nice job bringing in some young contributors and done a good job of bringing in good fits through free agency. Now this is the offseason to 'go for it' and plug obvious holes at WR and at least one OL.

[skinsguy]

Shanahan knows how to rebuild a team and to build it so that it becomes a Championship team. He rebuilt Denver...yes he had a major piece already there in John Elway, but still, he built a back to back Super Bowl team in Denver. He's coached in San Fran when they won the Super Bowl in '94. The guy knows championship football. He knows how to find the right pieces. He knows what it takes.

If Mike says it's going to take him the length of his contract to do it the right way, I think you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't think any one of us here is qualified to argue against that point.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Mooby needs to relax .... He/she clearly didn't know .....

[bertoskins2]

just win baby

[freddyg12]

Pretty nice read, I'm in agreement w/all of it. Sure MS has made some mistakes, the McNabb deal the biggest, but he's also (along w/allen) changed the biz model & culture.

Big year comin up for Shanny for sure, the pressure will be on, that's why he's making some big $

[Alvin Walton]

Using Cooley as a fullback.....twice in the same set of downs is what I would call bizarre.
I would say Kyle got better at the end of the season but most games I watched I was saying WTF repeatedly at the play calling.

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