Ex Cardinal DB died in combat

Gmanc711 · 04-23-2004, 03:58 PM

Yeah, Ramseyfan. I did hear about that and I defintley dont agree with what he had to say. Its in the past now, this is about Pat Tillman and what he did. God Bless you, Pat.

Dave Butz Baby! · 04-23-2004, 04:04 PM

I tripped across this petition to the NFL/Tagliabue while reading about him. I signed it.

http://www.petitiononline.com/PAT_NFL/petition.html

MTK · 04-23-2004, 04:07 PM

I signed it too, nice find DBB thanks for posting that.

jbcjr14 · 04-23-2004, 04:50 PM

My deepest sympathies go out to the Tillman family. Pat was truely an American Hero and the petition should be signed by all in this board. It's people like Pat that allow us to do the things we do everyday.

RedskinRat · 04-23-2004, 05:23 PM

Rice has a right to be an idiot, he voiced his opinion. I hope he understands that Pat Tillman paid the ultimate price for him to do so.

Ghost · 04-23-2004, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Rice has a right to be an idiot, he voiced his opinion. I hope he understands that Pat Tillman paid the ultimate price for him to do so.

Maybe he understands, maybe he doesn't. I don't see what gets accomplished by sending him hate mail, except creating more anger and hatred. This is the type of crap that plants the seed of violence and war in the first place.

joecrisp · 04-23-2004, 05:38 PM

Let's not make a debate out of this tragedy. This thread should be devoted to thoughts about Pat Tillman, his family, and those that have made similar sacrifices.

We can debate the political and philosophical issues surrounding the war in another thread.

As far as Simeon Rice goes, I don't think his petty and thoughtless comments are worthy of attention or debate.

Thanks

itvnetop · 04-23-2004, 05:57 PM

Regardless of political beliefs, the mourning is the focus of this day... thoughts with the tillman family.

Ghost · 04-23-2004, 06:02 PM

Yes it's a great quote. Gandhi and MLK certainly were miserable creatures, weren't they? History shows us that you can "fight" for things and win without resorting to violence.

offiss · 04-23-2004, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost

Yes it's a great quote. Gandhi and MLK certainly were miserable creatures, weren't they? History shows us that you can "fight" for things and win without resorting to violence.

What is it about the word FIGHT, you don't understand?

miserable creature's huh, I guess we might as well throw George Washington, abraham lincoln, franklin roosevelt, and IKE, in there as well.

My heart goes out to the Tillman's who raised such courageous children, with such conviction for thier country!!!!!!!!!

Ghost · 04-23-2004, 06:30 PM

I agree that his sacrifice was noble. He could have taken the easy way out but he didn't. I respect his convictions and his choice. But the quote seems to be saying that you're weak unless you're willing to go to war and I don't think that's true. I was just pointing out that MLK and Gandhi fought and died for what they believed in without using violence and without regard for their personal safety, and I think their sacrifice was just as noble, if not more so, because it's so difficult to stay on the path of nonviolence when people are attacking you. That said, Pat Tillman is a hero and I'm genuinely sad today, though I didn't even know him.

offiss · 04-23-2004, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghost

I agree that his sacrifice was noble. He could have taken the easy way out but he didn't. I respect his convictions and his choice. But the quote seems to be saying that you're weak unless you're willing to go to war and I don't think that's true. I was just pointing out that MLK and Gandhi fought for what they believed in without using violence, and I think their sacrifice was just as noble, if not more so, because it's so difficult to stay on the path of nonviolence when people are attacking you. That said, Pat Tillman is a hero and I'm genuinely sad today, though I didn't even know him.

OK, but I believe the article's intent is this, not that if a person doesn't go to war makes him horrible, just because a person isn't serving now doesn't mean thier horrible, but the refusal to serve your country when called upon whether it be fighting or support, and still enjoy all the abundance of opportunities that it provides, while someone else does the dirty work, and perhap's give's his life so you can enjoy your freedom's, that's is what the quote is saying.

remember, freedom is not free!

BrudLee · 04-23-2004, 06:20 PM

I had no intention of angering those who disagree with the quote (or the quoter). Pat Tillman believed in his course enough to lay down his life for it - as did both Gandhi and MLK. Whether or not anyone here agrees with him, his sacrifice was noble.

saden1 · 04-23-2004, 07:06 PM

The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities...It is best to win without fighting. --- Sun-tzu

Daseal · 04-23-2004, 07:38 PM

I must say I hope that the Arizona Cardinals remember what a great man and what great services he gave to their team and takes care of his family. I know it's not required, but it would be a nice gesture.

As of Simeon Rice's comments - I seriously doubt they were after this guy died. He has his right to an opinion and I highly doubt Rice would say something of the sort to enflame a mourning family. I'm sure they didn't get along in AZ and he was sick of hearing about him. If his comments were after this tragedy, then fuck him!

04-23-2004, 04:04 PM	#2
Dave Butz Baby! Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reston, VA Age: 56 Posts: 450	Petition to Tagliabue... I tripped across this petition to the NFL/Tagliabue while reading about him. I signed it. http://www.petitiononline.com/PAT_NFL/petition.html __________________ Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

04-23-2004, 04:50 PM	#4
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 56 Posts: 2,015	My deepest sympathies go out to the Tillman family. Pat was truely an American Hero and the petition should be signed by all in this board. It's people like Pat that allow us to do the things we do everyday. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

04-23-2004, 06:30 PM	#11
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	I agree that his sacrifice was noble. He could have taken the easy way out but he didn't. I respect his convictions and his choice. But the quote seems to be saying that you're weak unless you're willing to go to war and I don't think that's true. I was just pointing out that MLK and Gandhi fought and died for what they believed in without using violence and without regard for their personal safety, and I think their sacrifice was just as noble, if not more so, because it's so difficult to stay on the path of nonviolence when people are attacking you. That said, Pat Tillman is a hero and I'm genuinely sad today, though I didn't even know him. Last edited by Ghost; 04-23-2004 at 06:43 PM.

04-23-2004, 06:20 PM	#13
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	I had no intention of angering those who disagree with the quote (or the quoter). Pat Tillman believed in his course enough to lay down his life for it - as did both Gandhi and MLK. Whether or not anyone here agrees with him, his sacrifice was noble. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

04-23-2004, 03:58 PM	#1
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 40 Posts: 7,506	Yeah, Ramseyfan. I did hear about that and I defintley dont agree with what he had to say. Its in the past now, this is about Pat Tillman and what he did. God Bless you, Pat.

04-23-2004, 04:07 PM	#3
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,038	I signed it too, nice find DBB thanks for posting that.

04-23-2004, 05:23 PM	#5
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Rice has a right to be an idiot, he voiced his opinion. I hope he understands that Pat Tillman paid the ultimate price for him to do so.

04-23-2004, 05:38 PM	#7
joecrisp The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Charlottesville, VA Age: 50 Posts: 1,501	Let's not make a debate out of this tragedy. This thread should be devoted to thoughts about Pat Tillman, his family, and those that have made similar sacrifices. We can debate the political and philosophical issues surrounding the war in another thread. As far as Simeon Rice goes, I don't think his petty and thoughtless comments are worthy of attention or debate. Thanks

04-23-2004, 05:57 PM	#8
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 49 Posts: 3,007	Regardless of political beliefs, the mourning is the focus of this day... thoughts with the tillman family.

04-23-2004, 06:02 PM	#9
Ghost Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 298	Yes it's a great quote. Gandhi and MLK certainly were miserable creatures, weren't they? History shows us that you can "fight" for things and win without resorting to violence.

04-23-2004, 07:06 PM	#14
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	The best victory is when the opponent surrenders of its own accord before there are any actual hostilities...It is best to win without fighting. --- Sun-tzu

04-23-2004, 07:38 PM	#15
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	I must say I hope that the Arizona Cardinals remember what a great man and what great services he gave to their team and takes care of his family. I know it's not required, but it would be a nice gesture. As of Simeon Rice's comments - I seriously doubt they were after this guy died. He has his right to an opinion and I highly doubt Rice would say something of the sort to enflame a mourning family. I'm sure they didn't get along in AZ and he was sick of hearing about him. If his comments were after this tragedy, then fuck him!

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