Colts Officially Release Peyton Manning (QB Thread #11)

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

We all know that the Rams want our 2nd rounder and we don't wanna give it up but if all it took was our 1st rounder this year and next year and our 2nd rounder this year would you do it.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

We all know that the Rams want our 2nd rounder and we don't wanna give it up but if all it took was our 1st rounder this year and next year and our 2nd rounder this year would you do it.

2012 1st, 2012 2nd, and 2013 1st? yes

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

We all know that the Rams want our 2nd rounder and we don't wanna give it up but if all it took was our 1st rounder this year and next year and our 2nd rounder this year would you do it.

If that's what it takes, that's a high but justifiable price. But's lets assume we stick to our guns and the price is closer to the Eli price.

2012 1st, 2012 3rd, 2012 4th, 2013 1st, 2013 3rd. Slightly higher than the original Eli deal but I adjusted for inflation. :-)

In that scenario, and knowing how Shanny deals, couldn't you envision Shanny trading down a couple of times in the 2nd to recoup the 3rd round pick (maybe both years) so our net roster 'loss' would just be the 2013 1st round pick?

In terms of 'all of the picks traded away' the true measure/cost is net players 'lost' so what's the number that people are comfortable with for RGIII?

[SBXVII]

Houston keeps coming up but it seems it's only media generated as far as I can tell not one team official has said they will and the fan sights have more about their current QB and hardly anything if at all on PM.

I think the BIG players are:

Miami
Seattle
Redskins
Broncos

The jets have inquired but they don't have the ammo to get him and all his friends.

[Giantone]

The Jets or Arizona,Redskins would get their QB(Sanchez or Cobb) and still draft a youngin.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Giantone

The Jets or Arizona,Redskins would get their QB(Sanchez or Cobb) and still draft a youngin.

Who is Cobb? Oh he must be related to corn.

[KI Skins Fan]

In the chase for PM, there are serious timing issues and, for some teams, internal issues that could cause a number of tire kickers to drop out of the pursuit soon.

Free Agency starts in one week and Peyton is not yet ready to throw for teams. Some teams are considering other FA QB's. The agents for the other FA QB's aren't going to be sitting still waiting for the PM situation to develop. Some team will drop out and make a move for Matt Flynn.

No NFL decision maker in his right mind is going to commit the future of his franchise and a whole lot of money to PM until Manning proves that he can make the requisite throws to be successful. Right now, he can't do that. The question is when will he be ready to throw? The bigger question is will he ever again be able to throw like an NFL QB? That is not a given. Until he does it, the risk of signing him is too great. Meanwhile, as time passes, teams must make their QB plans for the 2012 season.

Teams that have been mentioned as suitors have issues that must be resolved and soon, in some cases. For example;

Az owes Kolb a $7M roster bonus to be paid March 17th. Do they pay him or cut him?

Matt Flynn would seem to be a fit for MIA and coach Joe Philbin. What if Flynn signs elsewhere and PM can't play or goes elsewhere, as well?

Can the Jets take the risk of having to wait for PM and then end up cutting Sanchez without getting anything for him? Or do they pay both Sanchez and PM? What would that do to team chemistry?

Would Denver sign PM and risk wrecking Tebow's development?

Here is the ultimate delimma for some teams: What if PM is still not ready to throw by Draft Day?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

In the chase for PM, there are serious timing issues and, for some teams, internal issues that could cause a number of tire kickers to drop out of the pursuit soon.

Free Agency starts in one week and Peyton is not yet ready to throw for teams. Some teams are considering other FA QB's. The agents for the other FA QB's aren't going to be sitting still waiting for the PM situation to develop. Some team will drop out and make a move for Matt Flynn.

Why is Manning not ready to throw for teams? From what I've heard, Peyton is throwing pretty good passes now - deep passes at that. While admittedly he's not 100%, there's no reason to believe he would not be 100% by training camp. I think what will force a lot of these teams out of contention for Peyton Manning will come down to money. Snyder can probably outbid almost any team, but it will also come down to where Manning wants to go.

Seems like most people think Miami would be the best place for Manning. I'll admit, I want him in Washington, but only if we also draft someone like Tannehill as well.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

In the chase for PM, there are serious timing issues and, for some teams, internal issues that could cause a number of tire kickers to drop out of the pursuit soon.

Free Agency starts in one week and Peyton is not yet ready to throw for teams. Some teams are considering other FA QB's. The agents for the other FA QB's aren't going to be sitting still waiting for the PM situation to develop. Some team will drop out and make a move for Matt Flynn.

No NFL decision maker in his right mind is going to commit the future of his franchise and a whole lot of money to PM until Manning proves that he can make the requisite throws to be successful. Right now, he can't do that. The question is when will he be ready to throw? The bigger question is will he ever again be able to throw like an NFL QB? That is not a given. Until he does it, the risk of signing him is too great. Meanwhile, as time passes, teams must make their QB plans for the 2012 season.

Teams that have been mentioned as suitors have issues that must be resolved and soon, in some cases. For example;

Az owes Kolb a $7M roster bonus to be paid March 17th. Do they pay him or cut him?

Matt Flynn would seem to be a fit for MIA and coach Joe Philbin. What if Flynn signs elsewhere and PM can't play or goes elsewhere, as well?

Can the Jets take the risk of having to wait for PM and then end up cutting Sanchez without getting anything for him? Or do they pay both Sanchez and PM? What would that do to team chemistry?

Would Denver sign PM and risk wrecking Tebow's development?

Here is the ultimate delimma for some teams: What if PM is still not ready to throw by Draft Day?

I think he'll be ready to throw, I mean he's been throwing already

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think he'll be ready to throw, I mean he's been throwing already

You may think so but he still needs to prove it.

The concern is not just if he will he be ready throw but when will he be ready to throw. The timing could be a problem for some or all of the teams that are interested in him.

Let's say he's now at 80%. When will he be at 100%? This week? Before the draft? Before preseason? Ever?

The risk of signing PM is too great until he can clear this hurdle. The longer it takes, the more teams that will decide to go in another direction.

If I were going to handicap this race, I'd move up the teams who are in a position to wait longer than most of the others.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

You may think so but he still needs to prove it.

The concern is not just if he will he be ready throw but when will he be ready to throw. The timing could be a problem for some or all of the teams that are interested in him.

Let's say he's now at 80%. When will he be at 100%? This week? Before the draft? Before preseason? Ever?

The risk of signing PM is too great until he can clear this hurdle. The longer it takes, the more teams that will decide to go in another direction.

I don't think the risk is that great, not enough to prevent someone from signing him in the next 2 weeks.

He's already been throwing, he's obviously not 100% yet but from all indications once the nerve regenerates it's all downhill from there. Right now he's probably just working on regaining strength and re-establishing the muscle memory of throwing.

[Ruhskins]

I don't think a lot of people appreciate how good it is to have options for our QB situation. We have the opportunity to make a run at one of the best QBs of the past 10+ years, while using all of the draft picks and our cap space to build up the team. We also have the opportunity to trade up (since we seem to have the resource to do so) and draft a very good prospect coming out of college, while using our cap money and remaining draft picks to build up the team.

Both of these options can bring big rewards and they have their risks, just like anything else in the NFL. However, I would much rather have these options then being in a situation where we don't have a shot at RG3, we have no cap room, we have no shot at the Manning sweepstakes, and our best options at QB are Flynn, Henne, Orton, or Grossman.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't think a lot of people appreciate how good it is to have options for our QB situation. We have the opportunity to make a run at one of the best QBs of the past 10+ years, while using all of the draft picks and our cap space to build up the team. We also have the opportunity to trade up (since we seem to have the resource to do so) and draft a very good prospect coming out of college, while using our cap money and remaining draft picks to build up the team.

Both of these options can bring big rewards and they have their risks, just like anything else in the NFL. However, I would much rather have these options then being in a situation where we don't have a shot at RG3, we have no cap room, we have no shot at the Manning sweepstakes, and our best options at QB are Flynn, Henne, Orton, or Grossman.

Good points. Opportunities like these don't come along often, we need to take advantage of one of them.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I don't think a lot of people appreciate how good it is to have options for our QB situation. We have the opportunity to make a run at one of the best QBs of the past 10+ years, while using all of the draft picks and our cap space to build up the team. We also have the opportunity to trade up (since we seem to have the resource to do so) and draft a very good prospect coming out of college, while using our cap money and remaining draft picks to build up the team.

Both of these options can bring big rewards and they have their risks, just like anything else in the NFL. However, I would much rather have these options then being in a situation where we don't have a shot at RG3, we have no cap room, we have no shot at the Manning sweepstakes, and our best options at QB are Flynn, Henne, Orton, or Grossman.

Voice of reason! Very good point. I think I haven't been looking at it that way simply because I'm fearful of PM signing more than it excites me. You're absolutely right though, regardless of what QB decisions are made, mgmt. got in a good position to do something.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

I tuned into ESPN radio yesterday a couple of times and every time I heard someone say the Skins are not contenders for Peyton, citing this as the sole reason.

I wanted to scream. It's stupid and is obviously ESPN's talking point this week.

The Skins embarrassed the Giants with Grossman TWICE and Peyton has never backed down from challenges. He's one of the toughest competitors and hardest workers in the NFL...I doubt he's afraid of his little brother, the interception machine.

Manning on the Skins would vault us over the Giants. The NFC East is a very competitive division and the only thing that seems to really separate the teams is QB play. Us and the Cowboys have been suffering from inconsistent QBs. The Eagles never seem to have a starter who can stay healthy whether it was McNabb or is Vick now.

Add a top QB to any of the teams behind the Giants in the standings and they move to the top.

Tony romo is not inconsistent, dude is a straight baller, 30 tds a year almost