One Last Luck vs RGIII Thread

[CultBrennan59]

Rachel Nichols is eh imo.


Jenn Brown on the other hand..Excellent!

[Bubba305-ST21-]

ms. brown is fine but i wouldnt say no to either, if you say you would your lying

[REDSKINS4ever]

RG3 vs. Luck is no contest. It's been said that Luck is more pro ready because RG3 had played in the spread offense. Put Luck in the spread and RG3 in a pro offense and what do you got? People would then be saying that RG3 is a better prospect than Luck.

So, to me it's even and therefore no contest. What the other can do in one style of offense, the other can do in another style of offense.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

RG3 vs. Luck is no contest. It's been said that Luck is more pro ready because RG3 had played in the spread offense. Put Luck in the spread and RG3 in a pro offense and what do you got? People would then be saying that RG3 is a better prospect than Luck.

So, to me it's even and therefore no contest. What the other can do in one style of offense, the other can do in another style of offense.

I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.

I still think RG3 will have the better year as he is surrounded by a better team and the AFC South defenses Luck will be facing in division (Titans, Texans, and Jaguars) all ranked in the top 10 last year and that was after adjusting for strength of schedule. NFC East offenses weren't to bad but at the same time they're not great either.

I really think though that Luck vs Griffin is going to be the NFL's version of Bird vs Magin and Gretzky vs Lemieux.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.

I'm trying to follow your analogy but I think it makes it more complicated.
Luck is not the 1st QB to come from a 'pro-style' offense and even that label 'pro-style' is a misconception because more and more NFL offense are using spread concepts as part of their base packages.
Some teams are in shotgun between 50-60% of their offensive plays (not just pass plays but total offensive plays).
Also, Luck comes from a particular style of offenses the WCO and IIRC Bruce Arians comes from the digit system not the WCO so the core concepts and verbiage will be different.

Imo coachability and football intellect are far more important then being 'pro-ready' because regardless of how pro-ready a prospect maybe (unless they go into the exact same offense) they are still gonna have to learn a new offense and learn the NFL defenses both learning curves are steep departure from college.

tldr:
being pro-ready is a very short lived advantage that may not last past training camp

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

I look at it this way. Luck took a calculus 2 course at Stanford (pro style offense) while RG3 took a Pre-Calculus course (spread-option offense). Both QB's aced their respective courses. Luck had the easier teacher (Pac 10 defenses) but in the end both are very smart. However right now Luck is much more prepared to handle the calculus 3 that is an NFL offense then RG3. At least in terms of learning it.

I still think RG3 will have the better year as he is surrounded by a better team and the AFC South defenses Luck will be facing in division (Titans, Texans, and Jaguars) all ranked in the top 10 last year and that was after adjusting for strength of schedule. NFC East offenses weren't to bad but at the same time they're not great either.

I really think though that Luck vs Griffin is going to be the NFL's version of Bird vs Magin and Gretzky vs Lemieux.

I loved everything you said until you compared them to other sports with players that are actually on the field/court at the same time. Quarterbacks dont have rivalries with one another. Offensive Tackles/Defensive Ends, and Wideouts/Cornerbacks do.

[The Goat]

Andrew Luck is being sued just before the draft | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Andrew Luck is being sued just before the draft | Shutdown Corner - Yahoo! Sports

LMAO.

He's being sued by Leaf Trading Cards.

A sign of things to come? lol.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

LMAO.



A sign of things to come? lol.

Thought the same thing! I'm not superstitious but it still looks like a bad omen hehehe...

[redskins5044]

RG3 compared himself to a cowboy great, Roger Staubach.


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[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by backrow

I was not in favor of giving up 3 #1s and a #2 to move up 4 spots this year. But, we get the QB we have needed for years, but little to help him on the OL. Same as last year, and the year before, but now, we will not have all of those #1s to re-load the line. Hope RGIII stays healthy, and hope we get some help for the OL later in the Draft. I was more in favor of trading back like we did for Kerrigan in order to net more picks. That seemed to work very well, and seems more like a way to continue to re-load like the Patriots.

Gotta trust Shan-Allen!

Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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[backrow]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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Ooooooh! Let me count again! This years, next years, and the one the year after! You're right!

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.


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We are using three first round picks and a second round pick on one player. So we are still giving up 4 picks for one player. I love it though

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Here we go again, we gave up 2 #1 picks not 3.

Tomato, Tomato.

It is, but it isn't.


It actually took 3 first and a 2nd to get that 1st, which was 4 spots ahead.


This reminds me of when the whole CBA thing was going on. The owners liked to say they were getting 60/40 split of the profits, but what they were doing is leaving off the 1 billion off the top so they can show the public how they were being neglected. The NLFPA side of it was that it was basically a 50/50 split (give or take a few percentages) once you add the 1 billion into the equation.

I think this all boils down to how you view the transaction.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Tomato, Tomato.

It is, but it isn't.


It actually took 3 first and a 2nd to get that 1st, which was 2 spots ahead.


This reminds me of when the whole CBA thing was going on. The owners liked to say they were getting 60/40 split of the profits, but what they were doing is leaving off the 1 billion off the top so they can show the public how they were being neglected. The NLFPA side of it was that it was basically a 50/50 split (give or take a few percentages) once you add the 1 billion into the equation.

I think this all boils down to how you view the transaction.

4

It was 4 spots ahead.. and in a few years we will know