2012 Presidential Election (free for all edition)

[CRedskinsRule]

i would equate a cayman island account to an earned income refund when you paid no taxes to begin with. Both can be done legally. Both give fuel to the other side of the debate's arguments and frustration with our system.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

i would equate a cayman island account to an earned income refund when you paid no taxes to begin with. Both can be done legally. Both give fuel to the other side of the debate's arguments and frustration with our system.

That's a very shitty unbalanced equation. One is paying someone to shield their money from uncle sam and the other works hard but has no money to pay uncle sam let alone someone to hide money for them.

You guys make it seem like anyone could qualify for earned income credit, forget who created it and why it's a bloody good idea (hint, Ford created, Reagan strengthened it and it is meant to provide people and families relief and help them escape poverty).

[RedskinRat]

It's not in the interest of special interest groups/lobbyists to have a flat tax, it's never happen.

Be nice if it did.

[firstdown]

Well Obama has thrown away another 90 some million tax dollars on a failing Green Company.

Lights go dim on another energy project - Washington Times


How about those employment numbers going south AGAIN.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well Obama has thrown away another 90 some million tax dollars on a failing Green Company.

Lights go dim on another energy project - Washington Times


How about those employment numbers going south AGAIN.

So how many companies that were bailed out have paid back the money?

The employment #s are going south becuase of Congress hell Ray Charles can see that.

[firstdown]

[QUOTE=Giantone;923751]So how many companies that were bailed out have paid back the money?

The employment #s are going south becuase of Congress hell Ray Charles can see that.[/QUOT

As far as I know we bailed out the banks and few car companies. That was not my point. He has loaned several green companies millions and millions of dollars and they have gone under. Even his own staff had thrown up red flags about loaning some of the companies money but he ignored them at tax payers expense.

Also please explain what congress has done or has not done thats causing employment #s to go south?

[NC_Skins]

....and these guys will be voting.

‘Obama pays your bills’ scam claims more victims | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

[Giantone]

[quote=firstdown;924085]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So how many companies that were bailed out have paid back the money?

The employment #s are going south becuase of Congress hell Ray Charles can see that.[/QUOT

As far as I know we bailed out the banks and few car companies. That was not my point. He has loaned several green companies millions and millions of dollars and they have gone under. Even his own staff had thrown up red flags about loaning some of the companies money but he ignored them at tax payers expense.

Also please explain what congress has done or has not done thats causing employment #s to go south?

Yeah bad choice of words there the numbers went north(in this case)I don't mind loaning money to the "green energy Co's" we need to invest in this for the future no doubt,I know it didn't work out .I was under the impression that most of the car companys have paid back part of the loans ...I believe it is in the 50% range and the banks ..well some have paid back almost all ,AIG did about 2 weeks ago.By Congress fighting Obama on everything it is they that are sending unemployment numbers through the roof.

[firstdown]

[quote=Giantone;924157]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Yeah bad choice of words there the numbers went north(in this case)I don't mind loaning money to the "green energy Co's" we need to invest in this for the future no doubt,I know it didn't work out .I was under the impression that most of the car companys have paid back part of the loans ...I believe it is in the 50% range and the banks ..well some have paid back almost all ,AIG did about 2 weeks ago.By Congress fighting Obama on everything it is they that are sending unemployment numbers through the roof.

I don't have a problem with spending money on green energy but Obama has throwning money at them just so he can say he has invested in green energy. You say congress is sending unemployment through the roof but the way I see it they are just keeping Obama from throwing more money at a problem with no/poor results. When will people realize that throwing money at problesm does not always solve then it just waste more money.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So how many companies that were bailed out have paid back the money?

The employment #s are going south becuase of Congress hell Ray Charles can see that.

Those car companies had to be bailed out why?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Those car companies had to be bailed out why?

Silly me, I thought it was the UAW being bailed out....

James Sherk and Todd Zywicki: Obama's United Auto Workers Bailout - WSJ.com

I guess $ 26B buys the Michigan electoral votes.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Those car companies had to be bailed out why?

this is hysterical. you make it sound like Hertz, Davis, and Enterprise rent a car. these companies employ 10s- 1000s of Americans. to let them go by the wayside would have been ridiculous

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So how many companies that were bailed out have paid back the money?

Here's one account. Basically they're saying the bailouts are currently around: OUTFLOWS: $602 billion, INFLOWS: $390 billion.

LINK

Keep in mind, how some money was paid back is interesting. It's no coincidence that banks which shuffle around money anyways, could "pay back" the bailout faster. And GM actually "paid back" some bailout money with other bailout money. LINK. The GM stock bought is supposed to be sold by the government when it reaches value enough to pay back the original "loan", which won't happen until/if the stock basically doubles in value outside of inflation and interest.

Originally Posted by Giantone

The employment #s are going south becuase of Congress hell Ray Charles can see that.

How is Congress doing that?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

How is Congress doing that?

Presidents can't pass laws, only Congress.


Have you not paid attention to anything the GOP has done over the past 3-1/2 years? It's without a doubt they've gone out of their way to gridlock anything the President wants done. Budget? Nope. Health Care? Nope. They few things he did manage is because of him scratching their backs by extending the tax cuts for the rich. They want to tank the entire economy just so they can point the finger at the man in charge and say "It's his fault!!"

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Presidents can't pass laws, only Congress.


Have you not paid attention to anything the GOP has done over the past 3-1/2 years? It's without a doubt they've gone out of their way to gridlock anything the President wants done. Budget? Nope. Health Care? Nope. They few things he did manage is because of him scratching their backs by extending the tax cuts for the rich. They want to tank the entire economy just so they can point the finger at the man in charge and say "It's his fault!!"

...............this!