Redskins at Bears Post Game Thoughts

[Monksdown]

Originally Posted by The Goat

LOL no offense intended dude but I did get a laught out of it. Route progressions and decoys are no harder concept than getting the ball to the open receiver

Yes, Davis is without question the best downfield target on the roster, especially in redzone. Moss is our best receiver at finding open space but his size doesn't allow him to break tackles the way Davis can. But Moss should have the most yards among our WR corp this season if coaches/QB play to our strengths ala Brady to Welker in New England. Hankerson and Morgan are good help but neither can find the open space consistently. Garcon isn't going to beat many DBs or even safeties when it comes to straight line speed, nor is a big/strong enough to overpower most. From all the video I can find he often struggles in space, whether it's working underneath the linebackers or the secondary. On the flip side Garcon has good hands and doesn't mind crossing the middle. Indy set him up w/ lots of quick slants and YAC, with some deep routes mixed in though the DB typically had to get fooled for Garcon take those passes down.

I think you're going to find that the tight end position this year will find themselves pass blocking more than in the past. In order of targets this year: 1-Garcon; 2-Davis; 3-Moss. You are way over-valuing Moss. Cooley isnt worth his contract i hate to say at this point. He's a 2nd string tight end and full back with durability issues. Find another player on any team with those responsibilities and his salary.

You wont. Not to put too much credence into analysis or anything. Fantasy football experts arent football experts per say, but as close to football statistics experts as you'll probably find when you compile the per quantity of analysis they work through and report on. No one is drafting Moss, nobody. Pierre is getting drafted ahead of Davis even when value based drafting analysis is designed. (weighted)

Bottom line, Moss wont be targeted 60 times this year, and Garcon will be looked at over 100 times. Book it.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

I think you're going to find that the tight end position this year will find themselves pass blocking more than in the past. In order of targets this year: 1-Garcon; 2-Davis; 3-Moss. You are way over-valuing Moss. Cooley isnt worth his contract i hate to say at this point. He's a 2nd string tight end and full back with durability issues. Find another player on any team with those responsibilities and his salary.

You wont. Not to put too much credence into analysis or anything. Fantasy football experts arent football experts per say, but as close to football statistics experts as you'll probably find when you compile the per quantity of analysis they work through and report on. No one is drafting Moss, nobody. Pierre is getting drafted ahead of Davis even when value based drafting analysis is designed. (weighted)

Bottom line, Moss wont be targeted 60 times this year, and Garcon will be looked at over 100 times. Book it.

My fear is your prediction is accurate i.e. too many passes will be forced toward Garcon, missing the open receivers. I'm sad to see Cooley go but it seems to be the case.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

I think you're going to find that the tight end position this year will find themselves pass blocking more than in the past. In order of targets this year: 1-Garcon; 2-Davis; 3-Moss. You are way over-valuing Moss. Cooley isnt worth his contract i hate to say at this point. He's a 2nd string tight end and full back with durability issues. Find another player on any team with those responsibilities and his salary.

You wont. Not to put too much credence into analysis or anything. Fantasy football experts arent football experts per say, but as close to football statistics experts as you'll probably find when you compile the per quantity of analysis they work through and report on. No one is drafting Moss, nobody. Pierre is getting drafted ahead of Davis even when value based drafting analysis is designed. (weighted)

Bottom line, Moss wont be targeted 60 times this year, and Garcon will be looked at over 100 times. Book it.

I wana see RGIII throw one to Moss as far as he can in both games against Dallas !!!!

[MTK]

Funny, I never thought Garcon had an issue with speed. I think he ran in the 4.4 range coming out of college.

He's plenty fast in Madden too.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So here we go again its now a black and white issue. RG III threw the ball to Moss because he is also black and black QB's look for their black WR's first.

Just putting this out there, this is a pretty weak joke FD.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mooby

Just putting this out there, this is a pretty weak joke FD.

Actually I thought it was funny but I came back in to delete because I worried some might not no I was joking.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

Just putting this out there, this is a pretty weak joke FD.

Originally Posted by firstdown
So here we go again its now a black and white issue. RG III threw the ball to Moss because he is also black and black QB's look for their black WR's first.



Was this not in the spirit of one Skip Bayless' recent comments??? Because than its funny.

[30gut]

Notice how the LBs have full view of both Davis and Griffin?
At this exact moment in time Davis is not 'wide open' because there are 2 defenders looking at Davis and Griffin:



Notice that Griffin is already set to throw/already begun his throwing motion with the ball cocked back its only then that the LBs begin slough off Davis and react to the ball in flight:


By the time the ball is in the air the linebackers have already negun to slough off.
By the time the ball reaches Moss, of course Davis appears wide open.

[Jak101]

It was looking dismal for a while, but they picked it up. Super glad it wasn't a blow out!

[punch it in]

it appears as though he could have hit Davis for the first down, instead he went deep to Moss - but honestly - who really cares it is preseason and he is learning - I threw up in my mouth alittle about the insignificance of it all - lol

We dont know what the playcall was, or what is going through these guys heads in a preseason game. Something tells me that if this was a regular season game and we needed that first down badly, that he would have slinged it to Davis and done the smart thing.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by punch it in

it appears as though he could have hit Davis for the first down, instead he went deep to Moss - but honestly - who really cares it is preseason and he is learning - I threw up in my mouth alittle about the insignificance of it all - lol

We dont know what the playcall was, or what is going through these guys heads in a preseason game. Something tells me that if this was a regular season game and we needed that first down badly, that he would have slinged it to Davis and done the smart thing.

Word to this. Or RGIII may have not seen Davis altogether and scampered for the 1st down himself. Definitely hope he minimizes contact but I think we have to accept RGIII will use his legs to escape the pressure and possibly miss the open receiver from time to time. I hope his teammates are patient through the process of him adjusting to pro football.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

it appears as though he could have hit Davis for the first down, instead he went deep to Moss

I have a couple of questions:

I'm just curious if you see the LBs in the first screen cap?

If you do see the LBs in the first screen cap can you see that the linebackers have a clear view of both Davis and Griffin?

Do you also see that Davis is running about 1-1.5 short and parrallel to the 1st down line?

Since the LBs can clearly see Davis/Griffin don't you think they will react to the ball as Griffin starts to throw it to Davis?

- but honestly - who really cares it is preseason and he is learning - I threw up in my mouth alittle about the insignificance of it all - lol

I don't get it.
If its so gross to you to have this football discussion don't join.
I mean, its kinda hypocritical to join in the discussion then belly ache about it.
And its not insignificant to discuss football and share view points and try to reach a more true/accurate understanding of what we see.

[imaskin4life]

To me Royster out of the backfield was a better option than Davis (if Davis can put a hat on the LB in front of him) BUT there was a window to complete the deeper route to Moss (higher progression than both) if the ball was thrown correctly. The bottom line is that RG3 thought he could fit the ball into Moss. If the coverage was tighter then he would have believed that it was too risky to complete it and checked down to Davis or Royster. I trust what he saw there.

If you believe option #1 (Moss) is open then you don't say "let me see if option 2 (Davis) or #3 (Royster) is MORE open." You throw it to option #1. He believed he could complete it. I also believe it was a pass that he could have completed - it was just a bad throw. In fact I think he did complete one to Moss in that area (I don't think Moss liked it very much because he was slow to get up lol).

[30gut]

Originally Posted by imaskin4life

...I trust what he saw there.

+1

If you believe option #1 (Moss) is open then you don't say "let me see if option 2 (Davis) or #3 (Royster) is MORE open." You throw it to option #1. He believed he could complete it. I also believe it was a pass that he could have completed - it was just a bad throw. In fact I think he did complete one to Moss in that area (I don't think Moss liked it very much because he was slow to get up lol).

Earlier in the game in a similar route combo, he does fit a tight ball to Moss on that post route.

I believe that Davis could have been part of the early progression, but at the top of his drop Davis has not completely crossed the face/cleared the LBs yet.
So Griffin comes off that read and moves on to Moss.

[SmootSmack]

Cooley misread the defense on sack/fumble vs. Bears - Washington Times