Redskins vs. Bengals Post Game Reaction

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

It was crazy to think that the secondary put together in the offseason could be anything other than terrible. I love RG3 but the fact that we can't pick up a top corner or Tackle the next two years in the first round hurts. The NFL cap penalty also is really going to hurt us in picking up quality vets to fix this problem... Eff Goodell and Mara.

There are tackles and safeties and corners all over the league that are not first round picks. They are coached well and used to their strengths. This problem falls on the shoulders of our gm and coaches to not only draft well but to coach well.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I'm not going to defend the defense here, but as I watch the Patriots and Ravens play, and I look at all the other high scoring games, and I wonder if it's just too much to expect consistent defensive play. Especially against anything other then the poorest of offensive teams. Look at some of the other teams with top defenses this week:
SF - gave up 24 points in a loss to Minnesota
Pitt - gave up 34 points in a loss to Oakland
Houston - gave up 25 points in a win to Denver
Balt - ongoing, but so far has given up 30 points to NE
NYJ - gave up 20 points to Miami(!) and won in OT

I know the counter point is that Chicago held the mighty Rams to 6 points, or Atlanta's D held SD to 3 (yes I would still like Nolan as our DC, but I know that ain't happening) but overall, this is a league where scoring 30 points is no longer an exception, but instead nearly required in order to win consistently.

Again not defending our D, they need to be able to stop teams, but everyone knew going in, this was going to be a track meet type game.

Good post

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I'm not going to defend the defense here, but as I watch the Patriots and Ravens play, and I look at all the other high scoring games, and I wonder if it's just too much to expect consistent defensive play. Especially against anything other then the poorest of offensive teams. Look at some of the other teams with top defenses this week:
SF - gave up 24 points in a loss to Minnesota
Pitt - gave up 34 points in a loss to Oakland
Houston - gave up 25 points in a win to Denver
Balt - ongoing, but so far has given up 30 points to NE
NYJ - gave up 20 points to Miami(!) and won in OT

I know the counter point is that Chicago held the mighty Rams to 6 points, or Atlanta's D held SD to 3 (yes I would still like Nolan as our DC, but I know that ain't happening) but overall, this is a league where scoring 30 points is no longer an exception, but instead nearly required in order to win consistently.

Again not defending our D, they need to be able to stop teams, but everyone knew going in, this was going to be a track meet type game.

Good point. We might just need to revalibrate what passes for good defense.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Good point. We might just need to revalibrate what passes for good defense.

CR and you might have a solid point here. It's hard to point to any one issue but the league has consistently for years now made it easier and easier for offenses. Now with the these debacles they call officiating crews maybe they've reached the tipping point and playing lock-down defense consistently has become near impossible.

I mean our defense is terrible, no doubt, but it isn't too much different than we've had. SS pointed out that we're getting scored on because teams are having to put up points.

How many games are we seeing around the league that are straight up laughers where a defense is locking a team down and their offense is dropping bombs? Not many. But we've seen multiple overall low-scoring games and vice-versa. It seems like offense begets the other teams offense right now. And we're scoring points by the bucket load.

[warriorzpath]

Look on the bright side. If RGIII wasn't on the redskins, the score would've been something like 45-7.

Whatever anyone says- these losses can mainly be blamed on Haslett. I don't care what anyone says about how its the players' fault or its the shanahans (which btw is the most ludricious thing).

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Look on the bright side. If RGIII wasn't on the redskins, the score would've been something like 45-7.

Whatever anyone says- these losses can mainly be blamed on Haslett. I don't care what anyone says about how its the players' fault or its the shanahans (which btw is the most ludricious thing).

Thought it was interesting that Keim said Shanahan is the one that likes cover 0 so much.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think when the team tied the game, the offense had two opportunities to put up points and take the lead. The first was after the Law Firm's fumble and after that series the defense made a stop. I think the offense had good field position during those two offensive drives and made nothing of it.

After the fumble I thought we had the game

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I'm not going to defend the defense here, but as I watch the Patriots and Ravens play, and I look at all the other high scoring games, and I wonder if it's just too much to expect consistent defensive play. Especially against anything other then the poorest of offensive teams. Look at some of the other teams with top defenses this week:
SF - gave up 24 points in a loss to Minnesota
Pitt - gave up 34 points in a loss to Oakland
Houston - gave up 25 points in a win to Denver
Balt - ongoing, but so far has given up 30 points to NE
NYJ - gave up 20 points to Miami(!) and won in OT

I know the counter point is that Chicago held the mighty Rams to 6 points, or Atlanta's D held SD to 3 (yes I would still like Nolan as our DC, but I know that ain't happening) but overall, this is a league where scoring 30 points is no longer an exception, but instead nearly required in order to win consistently.

Again not defending our D, they need to be able to stop teams, but everyone knew going in, this was going to be a track meet type game.

You are comparing our d to the top defenses in the league. Maybe this week was strange ? I dont know. What i do know is that every defense you mentioned above is far superior to what we are putting on the field.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You are comparing our d to the top defenses in the league. Maybe this week was strange ? I dont know. What i do know is that every defense you mentioned above is far superior to what we are putting on the field.

I was not trying to say that we have a top defense, only that the nature of the game is shifting the definition of what a defense needs to do.

[CRedskinsRule]

In conjunction with my last post, a breakdown of score range shows that defenses seem to be losing the general battle:

Shutouts: 0
2 - 9 pts allowed: 4 teams
10-19 pts "" : 5 teams
20-29 pts " " : 12 teams (note: Baltimore has 28, but game not over yet)
30-39 pts " " : 7 teams
40-49 pts " " : 2 teams

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by aircoryell

I see your point. Only thing is those teams haven't given up those types of numbers 3 weeks in a row.

Exactly. This week was bizzare but at the end of the year we will be dead last in probably every defensive category except maybe run d ( mainly because why would teams run on us when its so easy to pass). So it doesnt matter if its a scoring league. If the top defenses are giving up 20 a game this year and were giving up forty we will lose. Just like if they are giving up 10 and us 20. Its all relative.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Exactly. This week was bizzare but at the end of the year we will be dead last in probably every defensive category except maybe run d ( mainly because why would teams run on us when its so easy to pass). So it doesnt matter if its a scoring league. If the top defenses are giving up 20 a game this year and were giving up forty we will lose. Just like if they are giving up 10 and us 20. Its all relative.

true, but I can throw out the Patriots D ranking, or GB's D ranking last year to say that other top offenses have the struggled when teams are forced into shootout type games.

Remember our D has provided 1 TD every game, and some key stops that our offense then didn't take advantage of.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

In conjunction with my last post, a breakdown of score range shows that defenses seem to be losing the general battle:

Shutouts: 0
2 - 9 pts allowed: 4 teams
10-19 pts "" : 5 teams
20-29 pts " " : 12 teams (note: Baltimore has 28, but game not over yet)
30-39 pts " " : 7 teams
40-49 pts " " : 2 teams

Again its all relative. Yes defenses are giving up more points across the board but we are giving up the most.

[Ruhskins]

Good for you Kyle

Kyle Shanahan running down the tunnel after the officials - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Good for you Kyle

Kyle Shanahan running down the tunnel after the officials - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post

I think that is classless.
All team have to deal with poor officiating not just the Redskins.
The refs suck, he has to adjust and deal with it.
Daniel Snyder needs to chase down Kyle and ask him why the Redskins are 11-40 on third downs. only Tampa has a worse 3rd down conversion ratio.
I don't understand how they can average 5 yards per carry and be so bad on third downs.