Falcons at Redskins Post Game Thoughts

[Gary84Clark]

Love the team, but we need to get Santana back in the mix more.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Love the team, but we need to get Santana back in the mix more.

I think your right about Santana.

I dont think our WRs are 'winning' there matchups. Im specifically talking about Robinson and Hankerson...and Morgan to an extent. They need to beat their guy coming off the line and run a good route. If its zone, then they need to find the soft spot. I think it comes with time, but these guys are getting alot of playing time and its a passing league...I think Hank and Robinson have improved, but all about production vs playing time.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I think your right about Santana.

I dont think our WRs are 'winning' there matchups. Im specifically talking about Robinson and Hankerson...and Morgan to an extent. They need to beat their guy coming off the line and run a good route. If its zone, then they need to find the soft spot. I think it comes with time, but these guys are getting alot of playing time and its a passing league...I think Hank and Robinson have improved, but all about production vs playing time.

Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.

Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation.

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.

Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation.

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.

Moss is perfectly suited for what he is now, the #3 slot receiver who can be that reliable underneath receiver who can turn on the burners for a big gain

Morgan's contract is not as much of a handcuff as people seem to believe.

And we have plenty of draft picks, 2nd rounders, 3rd rounders. Yeah we don't have 1sts but let's not act like we're going into the next several years without key draft picks.

The future is not now. That's why you don't hold onto Gaffney when young talent like Garcon is available. Or spend money on Plax when you can develop Hankerson and Dez as red zone targets. Or add Chad Johnson when a younger receiver in Josh Morgan can grow as the Z receiver. All as RG3 develops too.

Of course I want to win, but I mean we're 2-3. How far off is that from where we all thought our record would be right now? Would you rather be 3-2 with Grossman and Gaffney or 2-3 with RG3 and Garcon?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Moss is perfectly suited for what he is now, the #3 slot receiver who can be that reliable underneath receiver who can turn on the burners for a big gain

Morgan's contract is not as much of a handcuff as people seem to believe.

And we have plenty of draft picks, 2nd rounders, 3rd rounders. Yeah we don't have 1sts but let's not act like we're going into the next several years without key draft picks.

The future is not now. That's why you don't hold onto Gaffney when young talent like Garcon is available. Or spend money on Plax when you can develop Hankerson and Dez as red zone targets. Or add Chad Johnson when a younger receiver in Josh Morgan can grow as the Z receiver. All as RG3 develops too.

Of course I want to win, but I mean we're 2-3. How far off is that from where we all thought our record would be right now? Would you rather be 3-2 with Grossman and Gaffney or 2-3 with RG3 and Garcon?

It's a good debate SS, but only if you hold on to the premise guys like Garcon, Hank, Morgan and Briscoe develop into consistent difference makers. Right now, I think it's less than 50/50 odds any of those guys become consistent difference makers. Garcon's middle name, if you will, is inconsistent. The other three are really projects of one form or another. Hopefully I'm wrong all around.

But if none become difference makers then certainly the better route was keep the the average, vet WRs around (for a fraction of the currect payroll) until you really get that guy. That's what I don't understand about the "we're building for the future" argument. I see us trying to win now, and sucking at it. Why blow a wad and gamble on a guy like Garcon, who's definitely not proven he can be a #1 WR, if you're not "reaching" to win now? If anything the regime has looked desperate for immediate improvement in it's personnel decisions.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.

Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation.

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.

You could not have said it any better.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Tana is (still) the best WR on the roster for two critical reasons: he's the best route runner and he's far and away the best at finding an open space or creating separation. He's on par with the next best after the catch, but superior up to that point.

Outside of Moss, when you eyeball our WR talent and production vs their payroll, it's got to be among the worst in football. Neither Garcon nor Morgan are worth their contracts, and the opportunity cost of those mistakes by the regime are simply enormous given our salary cap situation.

The thing is, we realistically have to take a win now mindset. Given the lack of high draft picks over the next two seasons and the huge wad of cash we blew on FAs over the last two and a half seasons, the time to win is now. If anything we'll see more holes open up over the next 2-3 seasons as guys like Fletcher, Orakpo and Hall need replacing than we can fill through the draft. That's why I balk when Shanahan apologists continue to look toward the future for improvement. Do ya'll expect upgrades as we replace Fletcher, Orakpo, Hall and probably one or two other guys? The future is now.

so what's the solution?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by los panda

so what's the solution?

The solution is to draft the right players and sign the right players as the current veteran stars on the team fade out. I wish Gibbs would have drafted Darrelle Revis instead of LaRon Landry in 2007. If he had, the Redskins wouldn't have a bum wearing #23 right now playing corner.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

In addition to every team in the NFL being beatable (with the exception of the 49ers, DAMN!) at least with the Skins we can enjoy the "Any Given Sunday" mantra. We're competitive in every game and we're continuing to get better.

I think what's frustrating a lot of people is we haven't put together a complete game yet. If offense and defense do their jobs, special teams doesn't. Just stuff like that. If RG3 comes back, we'll have another tough test on our hands, but we match up pretty well with the Vikings.

Even sf lost to Minnesota. Any team is beatable.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Exactly, I just think SF, Chicago and even Seattle are about the toughest teams right now.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

One big thing I'm noticing is becoming a pattern (I'm sure the weather didn't help) is we are not a very good tackling team. WAAAAY too many yards after contact. Saw a few nice tackles yesterday, but way too many arm tackles.

[MTK]

I think they went after Wilson mainly for the height advantage.

Not because he "sucks".

[SmootSmack]

I don't think hancuffed=not throwing deep

[Evilgrin]

You can't push a magic pass rush button.

[skinsguy]

I don't think RGIII is being handcuffed in terms of passing. He's thrown the deep ball quite a bit, but he also looks to complete the higher percentage pass more often than not. If RGIII is handcuffed at all, it's just to protect him; aka calling less option sprints or QB keepers. As I pointed out in my first post, I DO think game planning running plays with RGIII opens the offense up to its fullest potential, but right now, it's probably best to limit that since he's gotten a concussion. In the long run, to have RGIII further develop his pocket passing. Once he starts to become feared as a pocket passer, it's going to make his scrambling deadlier to opposing defenses.