Skins/Giants post game thread

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah who needs a guy that can catch a ball and go 88 yards for a score? Shit like that is so overrated.

True, we don't need Terrell Owens around here anyway...

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Yeah who needs a guy that can catch a ball and go 88 yards for a score? Shit like that is so overrated.

The game goes on. We haven't missed him because we only seen him one week. Let him heal up and we can asses what we are missing.

Personally, I hope we are missing a lot.

[Deivybaby]

Maybe we are just a 4-3 unit just putting it out there. Non of our LB can cover and our secondary been in the 4-3 there whole career other than B.Meriweather.

The DL too been in the 4-3 other than Bowen.

Just IMO maybe we are just a 4-3 team I also believe Orakpo and Kerrigan can do better in the scheme Im sure as hell Cofield would he is not a NT

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Deivybaby

Maybe we are just a 4-3 unit just putting it out there. Non of our LB can cover and our secondary been in the 4-3 there whole career other than B.Meriweather.

The DL too been in the 4-3 other than Bowen.

Just IMO maybe we are just a 4-3 team I also believe Orakpo and Kerrigan can do better in the scheme Im sure as hell Cofield would he is not a NT

So what made us so good last year?

[Deivybaby]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

So what made us so good last year?

Rex Grossman........

Edit. Where you bring sarcastic or joking lol. I thought the D last year wasnt good we took down the bad offenses but we got dominated by more efficent offenses. Our D wasnt that good it was better than this year but still not good . Had some good games against NY last year and Dallas first meeting but got destroyed trough alot of games.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

So what made us so good last year?

We we're middle of the pack defense last year, and underperformed compared to the talent on the roster. We're underperforming even worst this season.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

We we're middle of the pack defense last year, and underperformed compared to the talent on the roster. We're underperforming even worst this season.

We have 4 starters out, and you think we are under performing? You overvalue the talent we have, which is the case with most fans.

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by Deivybaby

Maybe we are just a 4-3 unit just putting it out there. Non of our LB can cover and our secondary been in the 4-3 there whole career other than B.Meriweather.

The DL too been in the 4-3 other than Bowen.

Just IMO maybe we are just a 4-3 team I also believe Orakpo and Kerrigan can do better in the scheme Im sure as hell Cofield would he is not a NT

I agree with you 100%, seriously. The 3-4 was a mistake, and it's time to end the experiment. The league had been trending towards a 3-4 because Belichick implemented and won with it in the early 2000's to combat Peyton Manning's offense. But the game has changed so drastically since then, and quarterbacks so much better at reading defenses that pressuring the passer with fewer players is the primary goal now. More defenders to cover more receivers.

It's very rare to find a 3-4 end who can apply constant pressure, Justin Smith and JJ Watt are exceptions. It's much easier to find 4-3 ends who can do it frequently. As it stands now, the Skins can't apply pressure without rushing 5 or more guys. Less guys in coverage is bad if you don't get the Qb quick.

That the Skins' outside linebackers can't cover effectively, and would all be better rushing the Qb makes it a pretty simple decision in my honest opinion. The whole point of a 3-4 is for the outside linebackers to cover receiving targets frequently so that you can blitz other players from different areas.

There are 2 primary goals of defenses today in my estimation. Get the quarterback and take away his targets. Stopping the run is secondary. Of course a 4-3 is better at stopping the run anyway as the team has 2 big tackles inside instead of 1. This 3-4 business of occupying blockers is yesterday's news. Much more important for all linemen to penetrate into the backfield.

I honestly feel that Shanahan wanted to switch to a 3-4 because he wanted to follow the trend while it was hot, when really the trend was reversing the other way. He got on the train while the smart money was getting off.

You want to know where the NFL is going, follow the Patriots. Belichick is a trailblazer. This panic offense he's running is the next thing, when really it's just what high speed college teams have been doing. Defenses are going to a 4-2-5 because more athletic receivers are going out.

Griffin is a new trend, but his skill set is so unique that it's almost impossible to replicate. Have to give Kyle some credit because he lets RG run his Baylor offense with added wrinkles, and most importantly, he stays out of the way and lets Robert be Robert.

[Deivybaby]

Originally Posted by jdc65

I agree with you 100%, seriously. The 3-4 was a mistake, and it's time to end the experiment. The league had been trending towards a 3-4 because Belichick implemented and won with it in the early 2000's to combat Peyton Manning's offense. But the game has changed so drastically since then, and quarterbacks so much better at reading defenses that pressuring the passer with fewer players is the primary goal now. More defenders to cover more receivers.

It's very rare to find a 3-4 end who can apply constant pressure, Justin Smith and JJ Watt are exceptions. It's much easier to find 4-3 ends who can do it frequently. As it stands now, the Skins can't apply pressure without rushing 5 or more guys. Less guys in coverage is bad if you don't get the Qb quick.

That the Skins' outside linebackers can't cover effectively, and would all be better rushing the Qb makes it a pretty simple decision in my honest opinion. The whole point of a 3-4 is for the outside linebackers to cover receiving targets frequently so that you can blitz other players from different areas.

There are 2 primary goals of defenses today in my estimation. Get the quarterback and take away his targets. Stopping the run is secondary. Of course a 4-3 is better at stopping the run anyway as the team has 2 big tackles inside instead of 1. This 3-4 business of occupying blockers is yesterday's news. Much more important for all linemen to penetrate into the backfield.

I honestly feel that Shanahan wanted to switch to a 3-4 because he wanted to follow the trend while it was hot, when really the trend was reversing the other way. He got on the train while the smart money was getting off.

You want to know where the NFL is going, follow the Patriots. Belichick is a trailblazer. This panic offense he's running is the next thing, when really it's just what high speed college teams have been doing. Defenses are going to a 4-2-5 because more athletic receivers are going out.

Griffin is a new trend, but his skill set is so unique that it's almost impossible to replicate. Have to give Kyle some credit because he lets RG run his Baylor offense with added wrinkles, and most importantly, he stays out of the way and lets Robert be Robert.

i agree. The problem is out 3-4 lb are not quick or consistent enough to get oressure we also have no real pass rusing 3-4 dl and we have no good secondary. We should stop the eperiment we can nect year raheem morris can be the 4-3 coach and he studied under mpnte kiffin in only makes sense shanny should be smart man he did thia in denver and was stubburn

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Deivybaby

i agree. The problem is out 3-4 lb are not quick or consistent enough to get oressure we also have no real pass rusing 3-4 dl and we have no good secondary. We should stop the eperiment we can nect year raheem morris can be the 4-3 coach and he studied under mpnte kiffin in only makes sense shanny should be smart man he did thia in denver and was stubburn

It might be easier to agree with you, or take your post seriously, IF you made some sort of effort to spell check, just saying. And no posts don't have to have perfect grammar and spelling, but it helps.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Skins probably thought Giants would work the sidelines and the clock

Because nobody beats us with the long ball.


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

The game goes on. We haven't missed him because we only seen him one week. Let him heal up and we can asses what we are missing.

Personally, I hope we are missing a lot.

I think you spelled assess wrong. Lol.


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[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I think you spelled assess wrong. Lol.


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Lol, no you're all just asses!

[jdc65]

Here's the thing about reasonable expectations heading into the season, and where the team is right now. I believe most fans realistically expected the team to be around a .500 team with a slight chance to make the playoffs if everything broke correctly.

That also goes to expectations that a rookie quarterback would struggle as he grows into the league. My expectations were that the team would carry the water for Griffin this season, asking him to limit mistakes, and not try to do to much. A good running game, strong defense, make a few key plays, and the team will find a way to eek out 7-8 wins.

The fact that Griffin is playing at an elite level changes expectations. The rookie is playing like a potential MVP candidate, and the team still isn't winning. If the defense and special teams were just decent, as they should be 3 years into the program, the Skins would be at 5-2, if not better. With a legitimate chance to win the division, and make some noise in the playoffs.

No one could have expected RG to play at this level so soon, otherwise expectations would have certainly been much higher across the board. Of course, no one could have expected the defense to play as they have either. Special teams to a lesser extent. It's just frustrating.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Coach Haz obviously saw something. Somehow he knew that Manning was going to throw an pass near the numbers. Jackson simply dropped back in coverage and read Manning's eyes. He made a nice interception.

Clearly Haslett managed to hit the right xbox button and make Jackson jump at the right time to get that interception.