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[Deivybaby]

Any update at all about Haz being fired and maybe a possible DB change. Id like for us to win the division finally IDK about every one else but 12 years and counting for me.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Deivybaby

Any update at all about Haz being fired and maybe a possible DB change. Id like for us to win the division finally IDK about every one else but 12 years and counting for me.

Barring multiple 40+ point games, Haslett is not getting fired midseason. How many f'ing times have you asked this same stupid question? 63 posts and I bet more than a small percentage are "When are we firing Haslett? Any update?" or some variation on the theme.

You are really a one-trick pony dude. We got it. You hate Haslett. Guess what - you, me and everyone else in Skins World better get used to giving up lots of yards/points threw the air. A change of coaching is NOT going to change that this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Barring multiple 40+ point games, Haslett is not getting fired midseason. How many f'ing times have you asked this same stupid question? 63 posts and I bet more than a small percentage are "When are we firing Haslett? Any update?" or some variation on the theme.

You are really a one-trick pony dude. We got it. You hate Haslett. Guess what - you, me and everyone else in Skins World better get used to giving up lots of yards/points threw the air. A change of coaching is NOT going to change that this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there.

Thats a bunch of crap. There are great coaches that can do a whole lot more with a lack of talent than Jim Haslett.

edit: I am not saying that one of those great coaches is available, and we probably are stuck with Haslett for the remainder of the season. To say that there isnt anybody that could do a better job than Jim Friggin Haslett with what we have is nonsense. That is what you are implying by saying regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Thats a bunch of crap. There are great coaches that can do a whole lot more with a lack of talent than Jim Haslett.

edit: I am not saying that one of those great coaches is available, and we probably are stuck with Haslett for the remainder of the season. To say that there isnt anybody that could do a better job than Jim Friggin Haslett with what we have is nonsense. That is what you are implying by saying regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there.

No. What I said was: "A change of coaching is NOT going to change [the points/yards] this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there."

I am implying nothing. I am expressly stating that, with the talent we have available, and the fact that we are six games into this season - for this season - firing Haslett is not going to improve the D.

While I disagree with you, Devi and Goat about the degree, I don't disagree that there are likely better options at DC than Haslett - after the season is over. He is an average D Coordinator and nothing special. Not horrific, but nothing to write home about either.

Haslett has crap for a defensive backfield and, with that as a base, has made some good decisions and done some good work but has also made crappy decisions and done crappy work. On the whole he has not overcome the lack of talent through innovative coaching - not sure anyone but a handful of folks could. Certainly, no one is going to step in and magically improve our D this year.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

No. What I said was: "A change of coaching is NOT going to change [the points/yards] this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there."

I am implying nothing. I am expressly stating that, with the talent we have available, and the fact that we are six games into this season - for this season - firing Haslett is not going to improve the D.

While I disagree with you, Devi and Goat about the degree, I don't disagree that there are likely better options at DC than Haslett - after the season is over. He is an average D Coordinator and nothing special. Not horrific, but nothing to write home about either.

Haslett has crap for a defensive backfield and, with that as a base, has made some good decisions and done some good work but has also made crappy decisions and done crappy work. On the whole he has not overcome the lack of talent through innovative coaching - not sure anyone but a handful of folks could. Certainly, no one is going to step in and magically improve our D this year.

I also said that we are likely stuck with Haslett for the rest of the year. I understand that there arent alot of great football minds sitting at home waiting for their phones to ring. Im simply saying that although we have a true cluster **** for a secondary rite now - having Jim Haslett direct that cluster **** is just adding cluster to the ****. You said the other day that you think Haslett is making lemonade with lemons. I agree he has lemons. I dont agree that what he is making tastes anything like lemonade.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I also said that we are likely stuck with Haslett for the rest of the year. I understand that there arent alot of great football minds sitting at home waiting for their phones to ring. Im simply saying that although we have a true cluster **** for a secondary rite now - having Jim Haslett direct that cluster **** is just adding cluster to the ****. You said the other day that you think Haslett is making lemonade with lemons. I agree he has lemons. I dont agree that what he is making tastes anything like lemonade.

And you have made that point continually throughout every discussion on the Warpath. I disagree and but am not going to go through a play by play and discuss why. Their are ample talking heads citing to both sides of the issue. To me, it is clear that reasonable, knowledgeable people disagree on the issue. Fine. To me as a non-film guy, who isn't in on the coaching discussions, I just don't see him as the consumate evil and don't believe a change will necessarily improve the defense. It could make it worse - not sure how, but not completely discarding that possibility either.

Just tired of hearing the same thing, over and over and over and over ...

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Barring multiple 40+ point games, Haslett is not getting fired midseason. How many f'ing times have you asked this same stupid question? 63 posts and I bet more than a small percentage are "When are we firing Haslett? Any update?" or some variation on the theme.

You are really a one-trick pony dude. We got it. You hate Haslett. Guess what - you, me and everyone else in Skins World better get used to giving up lots of yards/points threw the air. A change of coaching is NOT going to change that this season. Regardless of coaching, the talent is just not there.

No, just no. Our front seven (present, active roster) has more than enough talent over compensate for the weak safety play. Albeit, probably in a 4-3 base formation.

Like a few others have noted, the combo of Rob Jackson and Zo is pretty good. I've seen a few whifs but overall these guys are both fighting to start, and that's just what you wanna see. Jenkins is a drop from Carriker, but regardless our d line isn't anything special because we don't have a monster NT. Switch to a 4-3 though and I think we would benefit from increased pressure on the QB, which would help the safety group.

I say safety group because overall I'm satisfied with our DBs.

[Monkeydad]

Matt Barkley, starting Jaguars QB in 2013.

Personally, I thought Henne would beat Gabbert out anyway in camp. They had a close battle for the job but again, the big-salaried rookie won out because of how much the team has invested/wasted on him.

[SmootSmack]

Conspiracy theory?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Conspiracy theory?

It was an e-mail to one of the ESPN Podcasts. The person sending the e-mail was saying that the Chargers are keeping the likes of Norv Turner and AJ Smith around to basically sabotage the team (and that crazy "Take a Chill Pill" article on their site) and alienate the fans so they can get out of SD and move to LA.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It was an e-mail to one of the ESPN Podcasts. The person sending the e-mail was saying that the Chargers are keeping the likes of Norv Turner and AJ Smith around to basically sabotage the team (and that crazy "Take a Chill Pill" article on their site) and alienate the fans so they can get out of SD and move to LA.

Interesting theory. Don't think I agree though

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It was an e-mail to one of the ESPN Podcasts. The person sending the e-mail was saying that the Chargers are keeping the likes of Norv Turner and AJ Smith around to basically sabotage the team (and that crazy "Take a Chill Pill" article on their site) and alienate the fans so they can get out of SD and move to LA.

The problem with that is, who would their fans be once they moved to LA? Most fans in LA are more than likely Oakland, 49ers, or Charger fans.(minus any other teams) So alienating your current fan base would be self suicide in terms of profits and future income. As it is, I'm sure some fans may stop pulling for the Chargers even if they do decide to move so it would behoove them to do all they could to keep the fans they can. LA certainly isn't going to provide them with fans, history has shown that it is not a good city for NFL teams.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The problem with that is, who would their fans be once they moved to LA? Most fans in LA are more than likely Oakland, 49ers, or Charger fans.(minus any other teams) So alienating your current fan base would be self suicide in terms of profits and future income. As it is, I'm sure some fans may stop pulling for the Chargers even if they do decide to move so it would behoove them to do all they could to keep the fans they can. LA certainly isn't going to provide them with fans, history has shown that it is not a good city for NFL teams.

Yet still people are enamored with the idea of a team in LA because it is a big market.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It was an e-mail to one of the ESPN Podcasts. The person sending the e-mail was saying that the Chargers are keeping the likes of Norv Turner and AJ Smith around to basically sabotage the team (and that crazy "Take a Chill Pill" article on their site) and alienate the fans so they can get out of SD and move to LA.

If they want to alienate the fans, they should hire Jim Zorn as head coach.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

If they want to alienate the fans, they should hire Jim Zorn as head coach.

They should show Cerrato on their jumbotron. If those freaky eyes staring at you all game long doesnt make you walk out of the stadium, then SD will never be able to get rid of their fans.