Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[SFREDSKIN]

I remember when Shanahan was hired he said he had a year to study offense and defenses in the NFL and that he was ready to coach again. The disappointing part is that in that year all he could muster was Jim Haslett for his DC.

[iRepDMV]

No, firing Mike Shanahan doesn't make sense. Fire Jim Haslett. Our defense has never been in the top 10 ever since we made the switch to the 3-4. "Mirror to the Steelers defense" ...my ass. Anyone else like the idea of going back to the 4-3.

[VTSkins1961]

Originally Posted by iRepDMV

No, firing Mike Shanahan doesn't make sense. Fire Jim Haslett. Our defense has never been in the top 10 ever since we made the switch to the 3-4. "Mirror to the Steelers defense" ...my ass. Anyone else like the idea of going back to the 4-3.

I do. I've never like 3-4 defense. Yes, we have gotten more turnovers but we also give up a lot more yards and points. Think about his going into next year in a 4-3 defense - Rak & Kerrrigan on the ends/Carreker(could also be used a a DT) - bowen/Jenkins/cofield/Nield as the DT, riley/fletcher mlb, wilson/jackson/Alexander (or move him back to DT) or FA as the olb's, DB - FA, Wilson,Hall,Crawford, S- need major upgrades here. The point hat I'm trying to make is that we would not have to have a major overhall of players to go back to the 4-3. Our defense has sucked since going to the 3-4.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by irish

This team has major injuries on defense and outside of RG3 they really dont have much talent at all on offense. I'm surprised at how good they have looked at times considering how little talent this team has. Shanny can stay cause he isnt the problem.

The complete lack of talent minus RG-3 that you see is completely Shannys problem. Cant say the cake is bad but the baker is good.


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[los panda]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The complete lack of talent minus RG-3 that you see is completely Shannys problem. Cant say the cake is bad but the baker is good.


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it's the oven

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by los panda

it's the oven

That, or Jim Haslett is trying to run electricity to a gasoline stove. Fukkin Idiot, switching to a 34 was the worst setback this team ever had. Even worse than Haynesworth. Shoot, I might get roasted for this, but had we stayed in the 43, who knows, we might have the best DLine in the league today.............

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The complete lack of talent minus RG-3 that you see is completely Shannys problem. Cant say the cake is bad but the baker is good.


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Complete lack of talent?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The complete lack of talent minus RG-3 that you see is completely Shannys problem. Cant say the cake is bad but the baker is good.


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Guys who could be starters on any team unless one of the top 5 guys at the position is there:

Alfred Morris
Darrell Young
Monty
Trent Williams
Fred Davis (IR)
Garcon (IR)
Steve Bowen
Perry Riley
Ryan Kerrigan
Barry Cofield

Guys who may develop into that type of player:
Paulson
Lichtenstieger
Cousins
Hankerson
Helu (IR)

Young Guys who may develop into everyday starters in a couple years:
Gettis
LeRibeus
Robinson

Then you have solid guys like Moss, Alexander, Golston and Morgan. Maybe not guarranteed starters on other teams but certainly solid NFL players who would be picked up in a heartbeat if we cut them tomorrow.

The team has talent and youth most of it assembled by the current regime. It still has holes (note the lack of any DB's listed - I thought about Crawford, Bernstine but really don't think they have shown enough to indicate that they will be more than new and not-so-improved Byron Westbrooks).

I personally think the depth has been increased from the team that Shanahan inherited. For the record, I think Shanny got an aging, talented team that had little or no depth.

But to say there is no talent other than RGIII is just wrong.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Guys who could be starters on any team unless one of the top 5 guys at the position is there:

Alfred Morris
Darrell Young
Monty
Trent Williams
Fred Davis (IR)
Garcon (IR)
Steve Bowen
Perry Riley
Ryan Kerrigan
Barry Cofield

Guys who may develop into that type of player:
Paulson
Lichtenstieger
Cousins
Hankerson
Helu (IR)

Young Guys who may develop into everyday starters in a couple years:
Gettis
LeRibeus
Robinson

Then you have solid guys like Moss, Alexander, Golston and Morgan. Maybe not guarranteed starters on other teams but certainly solid NFL players who would be picked up in a heartbeat if we cut them tomorrow.

The team has talent and youth most of it assembled by the current regime. It still has holes (note the lack of any DB's listed - I thought about Crawford, Bernstine but really don't think they have shown enough to indicate that they will be more than new and not-so-improved Byron Westbrooks).

I personally think the depth has been increased from the team that Shanahan inherited. For the record, I think Shanny got an aging, talented team that had little or no depth.

But to say there is no talent other than RGIII is just wrong.

I think offensively we're talented.

I don't know if you could compile such a list on the defensive end of the ball. (Well minus Cofield, Kerrigan and Bowen, since you threw them on this list)

Speaking of which, you left off Orakpo who I think would fall into that first list.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think offensively we're talented.

I don't know if you could compile such a list on the defensive end of the ball. (Well minus Cofield, Kerrigan and Bowen, since you threw them on this list)

Speaking of which, you left off Orakpo who I think would fall into that first list.

Healthy, our defensive front seven (Carriker, Cofield, Bowen, Kerrigan, Orakpo, Fletcher, Riley) is rather talented. The problem is they aren't healthy, Jenkins hasn't regained his power and explosiveness from his knee injury, Fletcher is aging rapidly before our eyes and our secondary is doing nothing to help them. Teams aren't running on our defense. Partly because they don't have to but also because they can't. Get some upgrades on the back end and fix the schematic issues, we will see a much improved defense with the same front 7 players.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I think offensively we're talented.

I don't know if you could compile such a list on the defensive end of the ball. (Well minus Cofield, Kerrigan and Bowen, since you threw them on this list)

Speaking of which, you left off Orakpo who I think would fall into that first list.

I agree and yeah, after RGIII, I think Rak and T.Williams are our two most talented players.

Let's see what the D list looks like after this offseason. I suspect changes are in the offing.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I agree and yeah, after RGIII, I think Rak and T.Williams are our two most talented players.

Let's see what the D list looks like after this offseason. I suspect changes are in the offing.

I think Kerrigan is also very talented. Hasn't been showing up recently but still very talented.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SKINS73

If we get a win going into the bye week I can see us finishing 7-9 or 8-8. I would consider either of those records a successful season.

In what world is 7-9 a successful season. Losing = success? Interesting concept.


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[los panda]

Originally Posted by punch it in

In what world is 7-9 a successful season. Losing = success? Interesting concept.


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given the circumstances, i can pick up what he's putting down.

call it making excuses or tapered expectations.

[GoSkins!]

This is a silly thread. Our offense is finally good and our defense got screwed as a result of the salary cap penalty. We had a bad game on offense yesterday with a bad case of the drops. No Fred Davis, no Garcon, lots of dropped balls. It looked like the players on offense were playing tight against a great defense. Our secondary is garbage without having Orakpo there to lead the pass rush. Even with the current coaches, I think we could improve a lot with some good free agent targets and draft class to fix the back end and build more depth in the front. A middle of the road defense with this offense would have us competing for the division title. Anyone remember the calls to fire Tom Coughlin before his superbowl run? Why fire the guy who has put us right on the cusp of where we want to be? Fire Haslett? Maybe, but only because I believe he has limited upside, not because I think he is incompetent.