Redskins Offensive Line: 2012 Unsung Heroes

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

Smoot, how so?

First, you're assuming that a T drafted higher from a bigger school would be kicking ass right now...like say Bobby Massie

Second, your whole thing about "unless you truly follow college football" What is that? I mean you do realize the scouts' jobs are to "truly follow college football" and find the players from schools no one thinks about. Players like...Alfred Morris for example

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Let me ask a question that may let some of you see it from a different perspective- who is the player that is most important to the redskins right now and will be for the duration of his career? So why would you not put the greatest priority in protecting him? Forget secondary and defense, if there's no RGIII then there's no hope. And many fans are content to let someone in front of him just do a decent enough job to protect him. And just think about RGIII - do you really want him just getting by with decent protection with guys like Pierre-Paul trying to hurt him? I like polumbus, but if there's a chance to upgrade- that would be my first priority - because protecting RGIII should be the biggest priority.

There are 10 guys on the field with RGIII who are there to "protect" him, whether it's a lineman blocking, or a receiver getting open quickly, or a running back picking up a blitz. We shouldn't lose sight of making the entire team better just for RT

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There are 10 guys on the field with RGIII who are there to "protect" him, whether it's a lineman blocking, or a receiver getting open quickly, or a running back picking up a blitz. We shouldn't lose sight of making the entire team better just for RT

Do you think there's another position on offense we can upgrade at a higher margin than RT? (no sarcasm here, just honestly asking)

And what about defensive position vs rt? I only come up with two assuming one of Merriwether/Jackson starts along with one of Wilson/Hall. Speaking of Hall are you still convinced he's gone after this season? Someone quoted him as saying he wants to restructure to finish his career with us, at least I though I read it.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Do you think there's another position on offense we can upgrade at a higher margin than RT? (no sarcasm here, just honestly asking)

And what about defensive position vs rt? I only come up with two assuming one of Merriwether/Jackson starts along with one of Wilson/Hall. Speaking of Hall are you still convinced he's gone after this season? Someone quoted him as saying he wants to restructure to finish his career with us, at least I though I read it.

I think an argument could be made for DB, but I haven't really paid much attention yet to what's available and yeah I think he's gone. Just my opinion though

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Let me ask a question that may let some of you see it from a different perspective- who is the player that is most important to the redskins right now and will be for the duration of his career? So why would you not put the greatest priority in protecting him? Forget secondary and defense, if there's no RGIII then there's no hope. And many fans are content to let someone in front of him just do a decent enough job to protect him. And just think about RGIII - do you really want him just getting by with decent protection with guys like Pierre-Paul trying to hurt him? I like polumbus, but if there's a chance to upgrade- that would be my first priority - because protecting RGIII should be the biggest priority.

Protecting RGIII has value, obviously. HOWEVER, the team needs defensive talent in many places. RGIII, by his style and nature, will take hits. Every quarterback takes hits, some take more than him some take less. The FO has to make every effort to put a winning team together, not a vessel for the Great RGIII (no sarcasm meant). Griffin has dealt with injuries in his past, and has overcome them. I have no doubt that if the worst were to happen, he would work his butt off to come back again.

No one is saying ignore the line, but short of a top32 draft pick you probably aren't getting a day one starter, so let's let our draft picks and players compete, develop and transition in (or if they can't, get more bodies in) to keep trying to find the right players for the future)

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Protecting RGIII has value, obviously. HOWEVER, the team needs defensive talent in many places. RGIII, by his style and nature, will take hits. Every quarterback takes hits, some take more than him some take less. The FO has to make every effort to put a winning team together, not a vessel for the Great RGIII (no sarcasm meant). Griffin has dealt with injuries in his past, and has overcome them. I have no doubt that if the worst were to happen, he would work his butt off to come back again.

No one is saying ignore the line, but short of a top32 draft pick you probably aren't getting a day one starter, so let's let our draft picks and players compete, develop and transition in (or if they can't, get more bodies in) to keep trying to find the right players for the future)

And next year the Rams will be using our #32 pick.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

And next year the Rams will be using our #32 pick.

awesome

[warriorzpath]

Part of the role of an offensive tackle is to basically be the bodyguard for the qb. Are you content to have a decent bodyguard for your franchise player as long as he's healthy or do you want the best available bodyguard to protect him?

I guess I just don't think like most of you. I guess we'll see if Mike Shanahan agrees with me in his choices in free agency and in the draft this offseason.

[warriorzpath]

Make no mistake, part of the reason that Polumbus appears to be doing a decent job in pass protection is that RGIII makes him look better.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Make no mistake, part of the reason that Polumbus appears to be doing a decent job in pass protection is that RGIII makes him look better.

Man, I could swear that in the pre-season there were people saying that Griffin was going to make the line better than it looked with Beck and Grossman. And I swear I remember some people saying that that argument was crazy talk. (not saying it was you warrior). Seems like having a QB with a quick release, decisive in his throws, and aware of the rush, might just help the line. That is some amazing stuff.

[Chico23231]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...ng-efficiency/

Here is some good stuff about our Tackle situation and Pass blocking.

The Good: Silverback 11th best pass blocking Tackle

The Bad: Polumbus 7th worst. Interesting bad: Willie Smith, Demetrius Bell

[MTK]

Don't look at me I'm just as lost.

Who cares what the fans know. As long as the scouts are doing their job that's all that matters.

[CRedskinsRule]

I'm not really following the point being made, but remember a few things:

1) like Smoot said, the teams have scouts that are looking at both the big schools and the diamond in the rough type schools/players

2) the draft is about 2 things, a players value to your team, and their perceived value to other teams. So if a diamond in the rough type is available at round 3, you still may pass on him thinking that other teams don't see him the same way. So you gamble a bit on that one, and let him slide to the 4th/5th/6th hoping to use trades and slides in order to get him at the lowest draft point possible, but higher than when you miss him.

3) the draft is not a perfect science, one player from a small school most likely will not break your team, but missing on an "obvious" choice can hurt a FO's reputation.

4) ultimately 3rd-7th rounders are players with potential. How you value that potential goes a long way in setting the price point for him.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

2) the draft is about 2 things, a players value to your team, and their perceived value to other teams. So if a diamond in the rough type is available at round 3, you still may pass on him thinking that other teams don't see him the same way. So you gamble a bit on that one, and let him slide to the 4th/5th/6th hoping to use trades and slides in order to get him at the lowest draft point possible, but higher than when you miss him.

right...where you draft a player is relative to how you have evaluated his value to OTHER teams.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

right...where you draft a player is relative to how you have evaluated his value to OTHER teams.

Agreed.....