Ravens at Redskins Post Game Thread (RG3 MRI Result-Sprained Knee)

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by punch it in

NC if it makes you feel better Cleveland is worse than we are.
There really isnt a huge difference from 15 to us. Also look at alot of the teams that are ahead of us. They stink. So would i like to see improvement - of course but its like Kai. As long as he keeps nailing fieldgoals the short kickoffs dont bother me. As long as were putting up 30 a game neither does our conversion rate on third down.
Edit : if you do the math one stellar game of say 8 for 12 on third down - one game - will put us rite up in the middle of the pack somewhere.

The 3rd down percentage rate matters. However, if you look at the top teams, they are the ones with the most experience at the QB position. Like punch said, we are a good game away from moving up to "middling". Shanahan has brought in a bunch of new, young players on the offense. Efficiency on third down, as well as minimizing penalties, gets better with experience. If we can find a way to win anyway this year, great! The next several years will be the ones that are really special!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by calia

The penalties really stands out to me. Putting aside Atlanta (because only 47 penalities so far in the season is pretty amazing, and not a standard most teams could hope to meet), if you consider that there are a bunch of teams with about 70 penalties -- we're 35 penalties above that. It is hard to imagine that it close games (oh, I don,t know, like perhaps the Rams game) that a few penalties here or there might not make the difference between a win and a loss -- and if we had just one more win right now, we'd all feel a lot better about post-season possibilities. One thing that does seem clear: we need to play with more discipline going forward if we're going to keep winning. And that should be a priority for next season.

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

The 3rd down percentage rate matters. However, if you look at the top teams, they are the ones with the most experience at the QB position. Like punch said, we are a good game away from moving up to "middling". Shanahan has brought in a bunch of new, young players on the offense. Efficiency on third down, as well as minimizing penalties, gets better with experience. If we can find a way to win anyway this year, great! The next several years will be the ones that are really special!

Agree 100% on both of these points. Well said.

[Gtothearry]

Luck? Really, come on we are a few lucky plays from 10-3. Lucky plays happen every year with every team.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

Luck? Really, come on we are a few lucky plays from 10-3. Lucky plays happen every year with every team.

Hey man i was wrong about the tiebreaker thing. I forgot about common opponents.
Head to head
Division record
Common opponent record
Than conference record.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by calia

The penalties really stands out to me. Putting aside Atlanta (because only 47 penalities so far in the season is pretty amazing, and not a standard most teams could hope to meet), if you consider that there are a bunch of teams with about 70 penalties -- we're 35 penalties above that. It is hard to imagine that it close games (oh, I don,t know, like perhaps the Rams game) that a few penalties here or there might not make the difference between a win and a loss -- and if we had just one more win right now, we'd all feel a lot better about post-season possibilities. One thing that does seem clear: we need to play with more discipline going forward if we're going to keep winning. And that should be a priority for next season.

Were young. I think it will improve. On the flipside its amazing we have 7 wins and we are so heavily penalized. Says alot about the other aspects of our team.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Were young. I think it will improve. On the flipside its amazing we have 7 wins and we are so heavily penalized. Says alot about the other aspects of our team.

It says they have a lot of heart to go with that talent, and that they fight till the end. That goes a long way in the difference between winning and losing.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well ... 3rd down conversions are about sustaining drives and eating clock.

Don't get me wrong... I love the quick strike nature of our offense. At the same time a long drive or three keeps our D off the field and that's got to be a good thing.

so, you mean a drive that is different then taking the last 4 minutes off the clock with a 1 point lead against a division rival? or a 6 minute drive to score the go ahead points against that same division rival?

1st year, rookie qb, rookie rb, missing #1 te (which is often a key position on 3rd downs)

offense in top 10 in nearly every category.

[skinsfaninok]

Tony K made a great point today.

Look at Some of our best players so far.

Griff
Morris
Cobra Kai
And yes cousins because of yesterday!

All rookies.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No, I just questioned your idea of "humming along". I just don't think it's efficient as it could be. I'm talking about this because there is nothing left to say about the defense. It's shitty. It's going to be shitty until the beginning of next season. Only thing left to discuss is offense and special teams.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post974024





No, I didn't. I'm not even going to go down that road again with you guys.




No I didn't.

http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...tml#post968385

Is exactly what was said.




I said luck has played a huge part. It has, but it also plays a part in everybody's record. Some of them get bad luck, others get good luck. We've been fortunate. I also said skill, talent and coaching were a reason we are in the position we are in.




The pattern is your uncanny ability to take something written and twist it into something that's not.





I'm not the only once noticing it.

I was not aware i was gaining a reputation as a word twister. I actually thought as a new guy that posts alot i was just on alot of peoples ignore lists.
Seems like the only twisting is when you sometimes twist your original statements into something that doesnt sound as ridiculous as it did the first time around.
Just sayin....
In all seriousness you obviously know the team, and you post some really great links and bring alot to the table imo on this forum.
What has me scratching my head is.....
You say the defense sucks and so its no use talking about it and so all thats left to talk about is the offense and special teams but to be hyper critical comes across as negative nancyish. Im surprised that in the midst of our current win streak you seem to want to be that way because honestly during the 3-6 period you seemed to be more of an optimist than you do now?
I was a huge "doubter" - not "hater" because i always gave Shanny credit for Denver and winning superbowls for an older Elway by installing his system there - of Shanny up until he finally opened my eyes (during the first Giants game - i saw it). Now in fully on board with what he is doing. I think that all the negatives u seem to weirdly want to point out now - are due to a young team with young players at all the key positions. Dont you think third down conversions and penalties will fix themselves as we mature as a team? Also dont you think that even with these "problems" we can still do something special this year?
Rant over.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Seems like the only twisting is when you sometimes twist your original statements into something that doesnt sound as ridiculous as it did the first time around.
Just sayin....

Originally Posted by punch it in

You say the defense sucks and so its no use talking about it and so all thats left to talk about is the offense and special teams but to be hyper critical comes across as negative nancyish.

It's hard to really kill our safeties at this point knowing they are both backups, and one of them is absolute garbage. We know our pass rush sucks balls. No AC, no Rak has left a huge void in the DL in terms of applying pressure and it's obvious something Kerrigan cannot overcome by himself. Our LBs have huge issues in coverage, and our main ILB ranks as one of the worst LBs in the game at this point. Secondary? Inconsistent and not put in a good position to succeed. Any time there is no pass rush on a QB, they are going to eat up a secondary and ours is no different. Also....**** all these idiots testing positives for drugs.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Im surprised that in the midst of our current win streak you seem to want to be that way because honestly during the 3-6 period you seemed to be more of an optimist than you do now?

I am optimist. Very optimistic. We have a great chance at going to the playoffs and making noise. Now, do I think it's likely we would go far into the playoffs with such a bad defense? Probably not. Most SB winning teams generally have good defenses. Exceptions are defenses that either get a ton of turnovers (think Saints defense with GW).....or ones that bend but don't break. (think Pats defense in early/mid 2000's) But anything can happen once you are in. It's a one game elimination.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Dont you think third down conversions and penalties will fix themselves as we mature as a team? Also dont you think that even with these "problems" we can still do something special this year?
Rant over.

I hope so. I think penalties are generally a sign of discipline. That falls on the coaching staff in the end. We went from one of the least penalized teams last year to the most. It's what I call shooting ourselves in the foot. Almost like they are point shaving. Yes, I do think this will eventually get corrected, but it's not comforting while its still going on.

[CRedskinsRule]

in 2010 we were 13th with 5.6 penalties per game, in 2011 we were 8th with 5.0 per game. This year we are 31 with 8.1 per game. I put a lot of the penalties on rookies and the team as a whole getting this offense down. I remember several false starts and illegal shifts early on, I know we still are having penalties, but I think another offseason and the familiarity that most of our players will have with this system will lead us back down in terms of the pre snap penalties that tend to kill drives.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

in 2010 we were 13th with 5.6 penalties per game, in 2011 we were 8th with 5.0 per game. This year we are 31 with 8.1 per game. I put a lot of the penalties on rookies and the team as a whole getting this offense down. I remember several false starts and illegal shifts early on, I know we still are having penalties, but I think another offseason and the familiarity that most of our players will have with this system will lead us back down in terms of the pre snap penalties that tend to kill drives.

I think you nailed it as far as penalties go CCR. I've even heard Griffins cadence at times has fooled his own guys. I don't know how true that is but we've played some loud stadiums with a new QB, receivers, and guys still learning this system.

[SFREDSKIN]

The one player on defense that I think is really missed is Chris Neild. Something about that guy they were able to put more pressure.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

The one player on defense that I think is really missed is Chris Neild. Something about that guy they were able to put more pressure.

You know I had actually forgot about him for awhile until Rave brought him up. You're right. Hell he had 2 sacks in his first game as a pro. He did seem to push the pocket alot when he was in there. It'll be good to have him back.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

You know I had actually forgot about him for awhile until Rave brought him up. You're right. Hell he had 2 sacks in his first game as a pro. He did seem to push the pocket alot when he was in there. It'll be good to have him back.

He's a true NT. I'm really hoping we hold onto him for next season.