Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

[SBXVII]

I have bought into the Shanaplan. The last 2 yrs I said MS needed to get players to work in his system. The first yr the team could only run cause McNabb was horrid at throwing. The second yr the team threw more cause the OL were not creating holes for the RB's. In the past 10-15 yrs this team could not break 20 pts a game. This yr we have a run game and a passing game and they are breaking 20 pts almost every game.

Offense= Fixed. for he most part.

Defense is another story. I still feel there's got to be someone better then Haslett out there. But the players have stepped up big in the last few games.

[GTripp0012]

Its really arrogant to hold yourself up as the model for "the right way" to build a team while winning 40% of your games, but we're quickly getting away from the point.

It's going to take a long run of consistent, good play to balance out those first two years, and it's not something you can turn around in a five week period of the regular season. Those who say otherwise are jumping to conclusions. But it's been a really good start.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Its really arrogant to hold yourself up as the model for "the right way" to build a team while winning 40% of your games, but we're quickly getting away from the point.

It's going to take a long run of consistent, good play to balance out those first two years, and it's not something you can turn around in a five week period of the regular season. Those who say otherwise are jumping to conclusions. But it's been a really good start.

Your hypothesis is rooted in the assumption that your evaluation of the last two years is correct. Perhaps the winning ways simply took a few new players and a little chemistry to finally come together.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Your hypothesis is rooted in the assumption that your evaluation of the last two years is correct. Perhaps the winning ways simply took a few new players and a little chemistry to finally come together.

I lived through those two years on a week to week basis: if anything is going to convince me that I was wrong about those years, it sure isn't a narrative based on hindsight.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I lived through those two years on a week to week basis: if anything is going to convince me that I was wrong about those years, it sure isn't a narrative based on hindsight.

Nothing is ever going to convince you that you were wrong about anything. An overstatement, perhaps, but I too have lived through the last two years and have read your posts during that course of time.

In the vast majority of your analysis, you set the parameters for the assumptions and discount that which falls outside those assumptions regardless of the value given by others. [For example: your foray into the value of Chad Reinhardt, and other such noteworthies, as proof of the talented roster inherited by Shanny; more recently the debate as to the team's "youth movement"]. Your unshakeable belief in the correctness of your underlying assumptions is admirable albeit obtuse at times.

[The Goat]

Coaching, in every aspect no less, has improved pretty markedly. Offensively, we saw the number of busted plays go from 5+ to 1 or 2 per game to 0 or 1 per game. That's pretty dramatic IMO. Defensively, we stopped minimizing our talent. London is staying in the middle more and getting zone time on pass plays. Rob Jackson is developing. Guys are swarming with intensity.

But I don't think we've been outperforming our talent over these last 5 games. I think execution has improved nominally. Passes are still dropped, carries still fumbled, sacks given up. The real story of improvement has been coaching, on both sides of the ball. Kyle's play-calling and Haslett's scheming are the big ones, but we're even getting the little things right all the sudden. Paul wasn't targeted once last game, right?

The real question is whether the improvement continues, or is this just a run? Short of sniffing the SB this season, we probably won't know what this is till next season. Are we gonna be 11-5, or back to 6-10? I'm not talented enough to say "I know" but there are good arguments on both sides of the debate.

[punch it in]

Yup. Winning the way we did without RG-3 cemented it for me. Even last week I was thinking that RG-3 was making jobs safe. Its reAlly early into the "renaissance" to be completely sold, but hell yes im buying in. I mean we drop one or two and find ourselves on the outside looking in? Than next year we are 2-3 to start the year? Oh boy.
Dont see that happening though.
Team looks like it is primed to be good for a long time to come. Wait until Rak, Carriker, BW, Davis, Helu, Neild, our cap space and our number one picks are back. In two years we will have all that and a more mature group of young guns. Wow. Shanny looks like he is enjoying himself out there and that is good.

[rbanerjee23]

19-27 in his 3 seasons -- sorry, need a playoff win to buy in

[NC_Skins]

Looking at Locker and Sanchez last night, aren't you guys glad we didn't end up with either of those? ......better yet, imagine us with Gabbert.


We need to thank Mike nightly as we dodged bullets like Neo.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Looking at Locker and Sanchez last night, aren't you guys glad we didn't end up with either of those? ......better yet, imagine us with Gabbert.


We need to thank Mike nightly as we dodged bullets like Neo.

I thought the samething last night. Put Ponder on that list an unimpressed as well. RG3 has been head and tails above them.

A guy who I was not high on who has kinda surprised me and think he has a better future than the 4 above is Tannehill. I think for a completely offensive talentless team outside of the average Reggie Bush, he's done decent. He needs serious help at every skill position.

I think Locker needs to stay healthy in order to give him a fair chance, but the ability to on the field is part of the evaluation. He cant take a hit to save his life. He is very overrated scrambler with the ball.

[SmootSmack]

If I told you guys that talks are in advanced stages to keep Mike and Kyle around through 2015 (which is also the length of RG3's rookie deal)...would that affect your answer

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If I told you guys that talks are in advanced stages to keep Mike and Kyle around through 2015 (which is also the length of RG3's rookie deal)...would that affect your answer

Is there a succession clause (head coach in waiting) in Kyle's deal?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Is there a succession clause (head coach in waiting) in Kyle's deal?

No idea

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If I told you guys that talks are in advanced stages to keep Mike and Kyle around through 2015 (which is also the length of RG3's rookie deal)...would that affect your answer

id be very excited

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If I told you guys that talks are in advanced stages to keep Mike and Kyle around through 2015 (which is also the length of RG3's rookie deal)...would that affect your answer

If we truly have turned the corner and this year is the first of many 10+ game winning seasons, then they both have my vote!