Thoughts on the game

gortiz · 08-20-2005, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Anybody know how healthy the Bengals' D was for this one? I was just wondering if they were missing people, or if Ramsey's performance was against their first teamers?

I think that is real important to know! That is the thing about preseason, I bet there were a ton of poeple in Atlanta last preseason looking for the panic button when they got SHUT OUT by our defense .... little did anyone know they were playing one of the top three defenses in the entire league, who knows how good the bengals are going to be this season on D!!! Who knows how good Carson will be, if he ends up throwing 30 TD's and 15 picks, you can bet our D is going to be good!

Patrick is a real enigma right now, that first TD throw was amazing! He threw it on a roll out in between 2 Defenders, on the $$ and in the endzone .... but those picks were head scratchers?

I love Rock, I think Nemo is still the better bet, despite that fumble. But Rock did have some impressive runs, and was picking up big chunks.

Brunell is looking good, real good, he has played almost flawlessly against 2nd, 3rd stringers, i'm so curious to see him agasint 1st teamers ...

HolyLandSkinsFan · 08-20-2005, 02:04 PM

Most important improvement from last year--against a marvin lewis defense is

average pass was 6.9 yards

and average rush was 5.1

These are important stats because ideally you want to be able to get a first down in only two down with either rushing or passing. We couldn't do that last year

SmootSmack · 08-20-2005, 09:04 AM

I thought overall the offense looked really sharp, other than the poor decision making by Ramsey on those turnovers. We should probably keep in mind also that not only was there no Portis but there was no Cooley either (at least I never saw him).

I liked the separation the receivers got, but also the placement of the passes (along with the receivers' speed) allowed them to add several yards after the catch.

I thought Brunell looked really comfortable out there, especially out of the shotgun.

I'm a bit more concerned about the defense than the offense. I'm just worried about our depth right now at defense.

GoSkins! · 08-20-2005, 09:35 AM

It seems like our first defense totally dominates just like last year, but when the second defense takes the field, they just fall apart. I'm not sure if our depth is suspect, or if Williams is playing a plain defense to evaluate the players.

I worry about Ramsey, but the more I think about it, the less I worry.

First, he really started to connect for the first time with his receivers.. and many connections were the long ball. He had something like 170 yards passing in the first half. Hell, we didn't get that in whole games last year.

Second, his numbers could have been better, but I saw his receiver drop a sure first down too. Another one, Moss was running free down the sidelines, Ramsey made a great throw but Moss lost the ball in the lights. Cooley was obviously taken out of the mix for the game plan. To me that means they really have plans for him and don't want to tip thier hat.

Third, Pat had some poor decisions. I think that good coaching can prevent about half of those. Now that Gibbs knows where Ramsey starts to force things, he can call plays that fit Ramseys comfort level in those situations. I had no real problem with the int overthrow to Moss. When you go bombs away there will be int's. It was the one in the endzone that was the problem. If Cooley was out there, I think he may have felt better about checking down.

It's preseason. All I want is for us to do a little better each week. Next week will be a huge test.

gortiz · 08-20-2005, 09:41 AM

[QUOTE=GoSkins!]
Second, his numbers could have been better, but I saw his receiver drop a sure first down too. Another one, Moss was running free down the sidelines, Ramsey made a great throw but Moss lost the ball in the lights. Cooley was obviously taken out of the mix for the game plan. To me that means they really have plans for him and don't want to tip thier hat.
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THATS RIGHT! If Moss catches that-at worse he gets 25 yards, at best he makes 2 moves and is gone, really there was only one man to beat if makes that catch - Lets not forget, Pat audibled to that play, so he made the audible, and a great throw.

Defensewins · 08-20-2005, 10:05 AM

I agree with that statement.

Give a shout out to my boys on the D. The first team unit played well despite all the injuries.
P. Prioleau had a great game and looked good. He is a very solid tackler. Great and inexpensive pick up. Hopefully Snyder learned from Williams on this pick up.

C. Clemons continues to look good in his new position

The 1st team offensive line continues to show signs of much improved play from last year, they played really well last night. They opened up some running lanes and protected Ramsey; this this time you cannot blame them for Ramseys inconsistant play.
R. Cartwright and Broughton had very impressive game. Rock averaged 7.5 yards a carry! Broughton averaged 5 tough yards per carry. Broughton is a keeper.
Ramsey was booed on the first three drives for continued poor play from last week. But he snapped out of it and had a handful of great throws mixed in with his bad ones. I hate to say it but Ramsey is still inconsistant. On one of his interceptions, he never took his eyes off the receiver; he telegraphed it. Not the sign of a third year NFL QB.
Although some of his completions were awesome, threaded the needle on a couple of them. The lone TD pass Ramsey has in in 2005 came off a great interception from Carlos Rogers. I like Carlos!
So you have to say Ramsey has yet to drive the team down the field for a TD in 2005: in something like 15 drives. My boy Sonny J. was keeping track last night.

skinnyfan · 08-20-2005, 10:13 AM

Ramsey is trash......I keep making excuses for him and I'm done with that. He looked horrible last night. We are going to live and die with Ramsey this year and we might limp our way to 7 wins if we're lucky. I keep saying that Ramsey made a few nice plays last night, trying to defend him...but that is what his job is, to hit the open receiver and he can't do it more than 1/2 the time unless its a dump off.

Enough with that.....does anyone feel that we haven't worked the middle of the field at all in this preseason. I feel like that is coming at some point in time. I feel like we are attacking the side and corners of the field. Anyone else see that??

SUNRA · 08-20-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by skinnyfan

Ramsey is trash......I keep making excuses for him and I'm done with that. He looked horrible last night. We are going to live and die with Ramsey this year and we might limp our way to 7 wins if we're lucky. I keep saying that Ramsey made a few nice plays last night, trying to defend him...but that is what his job is, to hit the open receiver and he can't do it more than 1/2 the time unless its a dump off.

Enough with that.....does anyone feel that we haven't worked the middle of the field at all in this preseason. I feel like that is coming at some point in time. I feel like we are attacking the side and corners of the field. Anyone else see that??

AMEN BROTHER!

The Redskins just got rid of a WR who held on to the ball 50 percent of the time. Where is he now? You're absolutely right, Ramsey's job is to hit the open receiver but somewhere in between his brain and motor skills lies a dilemma. We want him to do good soooooo bad that we accept his mediocre to horrific performances for the last two games. Who cares if he threw some nice passes if he turned right around and threw 2 INTS? I'm sick of him and the apologist who continue to allow their wisdom to be clouded with the obvious. Which is he will not be the starter of this team, come September if he turns the ball over another time in preseason. PERIOD!

dblanch66 · 08-20-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

AMEN BROTHER!

The Redskins just got rid of a WR who held on to the ball 50 percent of the time. Where is he now? You're absolutely right, Ramsey's job is to hit the open receiver but somewhere in between his brain and motor skills lies a dilemma. We want him to do good soooooo bad that we accept his mediocre to horrific performances for the last two games. Who cares if he threw some nice passes if he turned right around and threw 2 INTS? I'm sick of him and the apologist who continue to allow their wisdom to be clouded with the obvious. Which is he will not be the starter of this team, come September if he turns the ball over another time in preseason. PERIOD!

ever see any of Theismann's preseason games...? You would have been calling for his head too. I think he ended up ok. It's PRE- season. Way too many people are getting all worked up over it. Was everyone excited when we beat up on San Fran a few years back during the Spurrier years? How'd that season turn out? By week 2, you will have forgotten all about it. So...who should start? Brunell? I guess you were not one of the people calling for HIS head last year, right? You want the rook to start? How far does a team go with a rookie QB? So the alternatives are to stfu and wait and see how PR does when the bullets are live and quit crying like babies every time a mistake is made in a preseason game. If he is still making dumb mistakes and costing us games in the regular season...bash away. Until then, take it easy, man.

SUNRA · 08-20-2005, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dblanch66

ever see any of Theismann's preseason games...? You would have been calling for his head too. I think he ended up ok. It's PRE- season. Way too many people are getting all worked up over it. Was everyone excited when we beat up on San Fran a few years back during the Spurrier years? How'd that season turn out? By week 2, you will have forgotten all about it. So...who should start? Brunell? I guess you were not one of the people calling for HIS head last year, right? You want the rook to start? How far does a team go with a rookie QB? So the alternatives are to stfu and wait and see how PR does when the bullets are live and quit crying like babies every time a mistake is made in a preseason game. If he is still making dumb mistakes and costing us games in the regular season...bash away. Until then, take it easy, man.

Actually I remember watching Theismann in his first season at RFK stadium. So I'm well aware of his mistakes. The problem I have with Ramsey is one that Gibbs has had since he returned as Head Coach. (Rule 1.) Don't Turn the Ball Over. Throw the ball away, but don't turn the ball over. Ramsey started his first game as a QB under Gibbs with 2 ints against the Giants. A game I also attended. Ramseys' dilemma is a lack of composure in tight coverage primarily in the red zone. He's either grossly missed his target or underthrown his pass for the int. There doesn't appear to be any consistency at all in his performances from game to game. The acquisition of Jason Campbell confirms that Ramsey's time in Washington is just about over. It is sad to think that a QB who has overwhelming support from his fans could blow his opportunity on a future team.

That Guy · 08-21-2005, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by SUNRA

Actually I remember watching Theismann in his first season at RFK stadium. So I'm well aware of his mistakes. The problem I have with Ramsey is one that Gibbs has had since he returned as Head Coach. (Rule 1.) Don't Turn the Ball Over. Throw the ball away, but don't turn the ball over. Ramsey started his first game as a QB under Gibbs with 2 ints against the Giants. A game I also attended. Ramseys' dilemma is a lack of composure in tight coverage primarily in the red zone. He's either grossly missed his target or underthrown his pass for the int. There doesn't appear to be any consistency at all in his performances from game to game. The acquisition of Jason Campbell confirms that Ramsey's time in Washington is just about over. It is sad to think that a QB who has overwhelming support from his fans could blow his opportunity on a future team.

if you were there, you should remember it was 3 ints

I just think people are jumping the gun... brunell went 2-4 had a 50% completion rate and was throwing for under 100yards a game last year. I really think we should chill and let ramsey have his shot, the running game is good, the oline is improved, the scheme looks remarkably better than the crap we ran last year, and our defene is still good. If decisions are his problem, experience and film study is the easiest solution. He's not as lead footed as bledsoe, he doesn't have a noodle arm... The team around him is pretty good now it seems. Let's see how he does at least until the bye week. If he's absolutely killing us, there's an entire week and 0-2 isn't imposible to overcome... though if we lose to the bears something is obviously really wrong.

saskin · 08-20-2005, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by skinnyfan

Ramsey is trash......I keep making excuses for him and I'm done with that. He looked horrible last night. We are going to live and die with Ramsey this year and we might limp our way to 7 wins if we're lucky. I keep saying that Ramsey made a few nice plays last night, trying to defend him...but that is what his job is, to hit the open receiver and he can't do it more than 1/2 the time unless its a dump off.

Enough with that.....does anyone feel that we haven't worked the middle of the field at all in this preseason. I feel like that is coming at some point in time. I feel like we are attacking the side and corners of the field. Anyone else see that??

I agree.....if Ramsey continues on like this, we're gonna live and die by him. BUT I've learned to never doubt Gibbs....he knows what he's doing.

dblanch66 · 08-20-2005, 12:23 PM

I watched the entire game and compared to last week, I thought the team made strides. Much better showing. If the team continues to show improvement on a weekly basis, that's what we, as fans, should be focused on. Some said Ramsey is "trash". Give me a break!! So he made a couple of bone head plays. It happens. This is the time to do it. It is PRE SEASON!! Duh..
This is the time to make dumb mistakes, get burned (C. Rogers), make dumb decisions (PR), fumble the ball in critical situations (Nemo in 4th qtr). I'd rather it happen now than in Dallas on Monday nite. We can learn from mistakes and it gives the coaches PLENTY to use as motivation and teaching tools.
Ramsey made some beautiful passes as well. We had some good D, good teams play and some nice runs. Overall, with a vanilla game plan, some players still hurt, the Redskins are right where they need to be.

skinsguy · 08-20-2005, 10:18 AM

I'm concerned about Patrick Ramsey...we can't have him playing Jekyl and Hyde. I thought his performance was better with the long pass completions, but his bonehead INTs are killing this team's momentum. I do agree that the only way Patrick can get through this is to play through it. But, it's his fourth year, it's time for him to start eliminating mistakes such as what he made last night.

I know the boo birds will still doubt Brunell because he was playing against the second and third string, but keep in mind, he was playing behind a second and third string OL and second and third string receivers and backs. I'm impressed with Brunell so far.

Overall, I have concerns with Patrick Ramsey and our back up defense. I'm afraid we're not going to have good depth on our defense this year, but as long as our first stringers don't get hurt, we should dominate. Carlos Rogers is going to have to get into condition fast..he was tired after the first quarter last night!!

Overall, I see nothing wrong with the offensive system. Gibbs still isn't showing us everything about the offense, but we could have very easily put up more than 17 points last night. Like Gibbs said, "we are our own worst enemy."

We have the talent and ability to have a solid team, some players just need to step up and perform.

Defensewins · 08-20-2005, 11:23 AM

I am surprised that Carlos Rogers is getting critizied a little bit by the WP today.The guy rushed back from an injury that prevented him from doing any tough conditioning. Plus he is still a rookie. He clearly got tired after the first quarter. But again that is due to his inactivity due to his injury. The Post needs to back off a bit, so he does not get gun shy.

Hey, he had a great interception and in the first quatrer (against the starters) he looked great. No complaints from me. If he is going get burned for a TD, let it happen now in the preseason. Plus there is not a CB in the world (much less a rookie) that can shut down his WR forever.

08-20-2005, 02:04 PM	#2
HolyLandSkinsFan Camp Scrub Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Tekoa, Israel Age: 51 Posts: 37	Great News Most important improvement from last year--against a marvin lewis defense is average pass was 6.9 yards and average rush was 5.1 These are important stats because ideally you want to be able to get a first down in only two down with either rushing or passing. We couldn't do that last year

08-20-2005, 09:04 AM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Thoughts on the game I thought overall the offense looked really sharp, other than the poor decision making by Ramsey on those turnovers. We should probably keep in mind also that not only was there no Portis but there was no Cooley either (at least I never saw him). I liked the separation the receivers got, but also the placement of the passes (along with the receivers' speed) allowed them to add several yards after the catch. I thought Brunell looked really comfortable out there, especially out of the shotgun. I'm a bit more concerned about the defense than the offense. I'm just worried about our depth right now at defense. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-20-2005, 09:35 AM	#4
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 56 Posts: 1,587	Re: Thoughts on the game It seems like our first defense totally dominates just like last year, but when the second defense takes the field, they just fall apart. I'm not sure if our depth is suspect, or if Williams is playing a plain defense to evaluate the players. I worry about Ramsey, but the more I think about it, the less I worry. First, he really started to connect for the first time with his receivers.. and many connections were the long ball. He had something like 170 yards passing in the first half. Hell, we didn't get that in whole games last year. Second, his numbers could have been better, but I saw his receiver drop a sure first down too. Another one, Moss was running free down the sidelines, Ramsey made a great throw but Moss lost the ball in the lights. Cooley was obviously taken out of the mix for the game plan. To me that means they really have plans for him and don't want to tip thier hat. Third, Pat had some poor decisions. I think that good coaching can prevent about half of those. Now that Gibbs knows where Ramsey starts to force things, he can call plays that fit Ramseys comfort level in those situations. I had no real problem with the int overthrow to Moss. When you go bombs away there will be int's. It was the one in the endzone that was the problem. If Cooley was out there, I think he may have felt better about checking down. It's preseason. All I want is for us to do a little better each week. Next week will be a huge test. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

08-20-2005, 09:41 AM	#5
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	Re: Thoughts on the game [QUOTE=GoSkins!] Second, his numbers could have been better, but I saw his receiver drop a sure first down too. Another one, Moss was running free down the sidelines, Ramsey made a great throw but Moss lost the ball in the lights. Cooley was obviously taken out of the mix for the game plan. To me that means they really have plans for him and don't want to tip thier hat. QUOTE] THATS RIGHT! If Moss catches that-at worse he gets 25 yards, at best he makes 2 moves and is gone, really there was only one man to beat if makes that catch - Lets not forget, Pat audibled to that play, so he made the audible, and a great throw. __________________ "If people are underestimating us," Jansen said, "there will be a rude awakening this year."

08-20-2005, 10:05 AM	#6
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,767	Re: Thoughts on the game I agree with that statement. Give a shout out to my boys on the D. The first team unit played well despite all the injuries. P. Prioleau had a great game and looked good. He is a very solid tackler. Great and inexpensive pick up. Hopefully Snyder learned from Williams on this pick up. C. Clemons continues to look good in his new position The 1st team offensive line continues to show signs of much improved play from last year, they played really well last night. They opened up some running lanes and protected Ramsey; this this time you cannot blame them for Ramseys inconsistant play. R. Cartwright and Broughton had very impressive game. Rock averaged 7.5 yards a carry! Broughton averaged 5 tough yards per carry. Broughton is a keeper. Ramsey was booed on the first three drives for continued poor play from last week. But he snapped out of it and had a handful of great throws mixed in with his bad ones. I hate to say it but Ramsey is still inconsistant. On one of his interceptions, he never took his eyes off the receiver; he telegraphed it. Not the sign of a third year NFL QB. Although some of his completions were awesome, threaded the needle on a couple of them. The lone TD pass Ramsey has in in 2005 came off a great interception from Carlos Rogers. I like Carlos! So you have to say Ramsey has yet to drive the team down the field for a TD in 2005: in something like 15 drives. My boy Sonny J. was keeping track last night. Last edited by Defensewins; 08-20-2005 at 10:18 AM.

08-20-2005, 10:13 AM	#7
skinnyfan Special Teams Join Date: May 2005 Age: 48 Posts: 111	Re: Thoughts on the game Ramsey is trash......I keep making excuses for him and I'm done with that. He looked horrible last night. We are going to live and die with Ramsey this year and we might limp our way to 7 wins if we're lucky. I keep saying that Ramsey made a few nice plays last night, trying to defend him...but that is what his job is, to hit the open receiver and he can't do it more than 1/2 the time unless its a dump off. Enough with that.....does anyone feel that we haven't worked the middle of the field at all in this preseason. I feel like that is coming at some point in time. I feel like we are attacking the side and corners of the field. Anyone else see that??

08-20-2005, 12:23 PM	#13
dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 59 Posts: 1,176	Re: Thoughts on the game I watched the entire game and compared to last week, I thought the team made strides. Much better showing. If the team continues to show improvement on a weekly basis, that's what we, as fans, should be focused on. Some said Ramsey is "trash". Give me a break!! So he made a couple of bone head plays. It happens. This is the time to do it. It is PRE SEASON!! Duh.. This is the time to make dumb mistakes, get burned (C. Rogers), make dumb decisions (PR), fumble the ball in critical situations (Nemo in 4th qtr). I'd rather it happen now than in Dallas on Monday nite. We can learn from mistakes and it gives the coaches PLENTY to use as motivation and teaching tools. Ramsey made some beautiful passes as well. We had some good D, good teams play and some nice runs. Overall, with a vanilla game plan, some players still hurt, the Redskins are right where they need to be.

08-20-2005, 10:18 AM	#14
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Thoughts on the game I'm concerned about Patrick Ramsey...we can't have him playing Jekyl and Hyde. I thought his performance was better with the long pass completions, but his bonehead INTs are killing this team's momentum. I do agree that the only way Patrick can get through this is to play through it. But, it's his fourth year, it's time for him to start eliminating mistakes such as what he made last night. I know the boo birds will still doubt Brunell because he was playing against the second and third string, but keep in mind, he was playing behind a second and third string OL and second and third string receivers and backs. I'm impressed with Brunell so far. Overall, I have concerns with Patrick Ramsey and our back up defense. I'm afraid we're not going to have good depth on our defense this year, but as long as our first stringers don't get hurt, we should dominate. Carlos Rogers is going to have to get into condition fast..he was tired after the first quarter last night!! Overall, I see nothing wrong with the offensive system. Gibbs still isn't showing us everything about the offense, but we could have very easily put up more than 17 points last night. Like Gibbs said, "we are our own worst enemy." We have the talent and ability to have a solid team, some players just need to step up and perform. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

08-20-2005, 11:23 AM	#15
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,767	Re: Thoughts on the game I am surprised that Carlos Rogers is getting critizied a little bit by the WP today.The guy rushed back from an injury that prevented him from doing any tough conditioning. Plus he is still a rookie. He clearly got tired after the first quarter. But again that is due to his inactivity due to his injury. The Post needs to back off a bit, so he does not get gun shy. Hey, he had a great interception and in the first quatrer (against the starters) he looked great. No complaints from me. If he is going get burned for a TD, let it happen now in the preseason. Plus there is not a CB in the world (much less a rookie) that can shut down his WR forever.

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