Thoughts on the game

illdefined · 08-20-2005, 01:01 PM

Cooley and Portis were our two biggest offensive weapons last year, and they were both GONE for this PREseason game.

obviously, Gibbs was using this game to just evaluate the air game, and Ramsey was calling plays and making throws he WOULDN'T be doing in a real game!

he was without his two biggest options, and both Ramsey and Gibbs now know what works when in the air and what doesn't. isn't that the POINT of a preseason game? to see the limits of specific parts of your team?

apparently they weren't even going over the middle (why injure our small recievers?). to expect a one-dimensional offense, blindfolded (no Portis) and one arm behind your back (no Cooley) against a first team defense (a Marvin Lewis defense no less) with no incidents seems reaaaally short sighted.

GoSkins! · 08-20-2005, 02:02 PM

Lost in all this is the fact that both QB's look miles better than they did at this point last year. This should make us feel a little better about things.

Schneed10 · 08-20-2005, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

Lost in all this is the fact that both QB's look miles better than they did at this point last year. This should make us feel a little better about things.

Marvelous point. The offense looks so much better as a whole. Bett's yards per carry were solid last night. The WRs are getting separation. There's no 8 man fronts to face. We're making mistakes, but the ball is moving. Which is lightyears ahead of where we were last year (making mistakes and standing still).

If you find yourself freaking out, take solace in two things:

1) The backbone of your offensive team is your offensive line, and so far our starters look great.

2) We play the Bears sans Rex Grossman in week 1, plus Cedric Benson still isn't in camp!

skins052bgr8 · 08-20-2005, 02:08 PM

No kidding about the bashing! I know this is our team and all, but most of those people who are doing some extreme bashing need to like many have said this is the pre-season no need to abandon ship. Ramsey has a lot of learning from his mistakes, but the 4 years as all know have been mind blowing and would not call it 4 years worth of experience Spurrier rotation with QBS injured when named starter and then last year 7 games thrown into and offense that no matter who was QB would have done much better. Everyone agreed that Spurriers offense in the NFL was not exactly the best system to gain experience at a PRO level. Just hypothetical and don't everyone get their panties in a bunch and not even trying to compare Ramsey to Farve so chill out before you come back with your blast, but Farve is a gunslinger and could have easily had similar stats as Ramsey and plays a lot like him with his decision making from what I have seen this year. Ramsey will come along and showed great improvement. I would agree the offense was laid out last night to do exactly that get the ball downfield and use the sidelines. Defenses are going to start playing those edges and making plays if you do it over and over. We did not mix in the run well or use the center of the field game plan would have been different in th real season. Preseason is where you see if you can go down field and see what works.

scowan · 08-20-2005, 03:58 PM

Hey Guys here is my two sents on the game last night. First I agree with illdefined, when he said Portis and Cooley were Gone. Second everyone needs to remember that Arrington was not there and several other players on D were held out with minor dings. I would like to see our complete starters on the field before the Preseason is finished. The O-line is good, but without Portis, I wonder how much that hurts Ramsey. Maybe we don't need Ramsey to throw twice in every series if Portis is playing? Betts did fine, but we only ran the ball 20 times. Betts averaged 5 yards a carry. Do you think the Skins throw as much as they did last night if they average 5 yards a carry? I don't think so. I believe that Gibbs would have really been praising Ramsey if he had not thrown those 2 picks. Hey it is Preseason, so its OK! Ramsey just needs to learn from the experience.

Daseal · 08-20-2005, 04:52 PM

One pass people seem to think about was that EndZone interception. While it was a bad throw, it was the exact right idea. If he put another 6 inches of air under that ball it's a pretty TD. The WR was wide alone in the corner he didn't put enough on it!

I'm still shaking at our 2nd CB position. Hell. Jimoh prolly played better than any CB last night. Carlos Rogers got burned, straight up flown by some CIN receiver. They toss a flag, bring it back, then CIN does the exact same thing -- TD. It really hurt. I don't know who we have that can cover those speed receivers we'll see. Springs isn't known for his speed, Rogers was getting run by, Harris is old. Will Wilds be our saving grace?

That Guy · 08-20-2005, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

One pass people seem to think about was that EndZone interception. While it was a bad throw, it was the exact right idea. If he put another 6 inches of air under that ball it's a pretty TD. The WR was wide alone in the corner he didn't put enough on it!

I'm still shaking at our 2nd CB position. Hell. Jimoh prolly played better than any CB last night. Carlos Rogers got burned, straight up flown by some CIN receiver. They toss a flag, bring it back, then CIN does the exact same thing -- TD. It really hurt. I don't know who we have that can cover those speed receivers we'll see. Springs isn't known for his speed, Rogers was getting run by, Harris is old. Will Wilds be our saving grace?

taylor has had real good luck with elite WRs so far... beats out moss for a jump ball (Deflected), gets an int covering CJ (last year) and stuffed him again on friday... and he's beat TO as well (an hit him in the head

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we'll be playing the top3 WRs again this year too (moss, TO, CJ)... weird how that works out.

BigSKINBauer · 08-20-2005, 07:03 PM

any bengal fan that saw the game last year and the game this year must feel like we are all psyco

Gmanc711 · 08-20-2005, 07:05 PM

My thoughts on the game are as follows....

Offensivley - Ramsey was inconsistent, but I feel better about him after this week than I do last week. I think you can teach dicison making, but you cant teach rythm. I think up until last night he had no rythm with the offense, which I think he showed last night. His desicon making needs to get alot better if he wants to succeed in the league. The obviously bad passes he should have grown out of by now, and I think Gibbs can get him in the right direction before seasons start. Overall, I feel better about Ramsey after this week than I did last week.
O-Line- Freaking stout. I'm very excited about this group.
Running game- We didnt run the ball enough with the starters (Betts) for me to know anything.

Overall offensivley, I was exicted to see us moving the ball. If we turn the ball over like we did last night, you can forget about it. However if we can cash in with even feild goals on all the possessions we were inside the fourty last night, we win the game I think. I feel better about this unit right now; and I'm excited to see how they do against last years #1 defense in Pittsburgh.

Defensivley- Our starters are awsome. Our backups not so much. Its dissapointing too, because alot of the "backups" I feel/felt could make a good impact this season. One guy I would like to focus on though for his good play is LaVar Arringtons backup Warrick Holdman. I shutter to think of the things Williams can do with this "backup".

skinnyfan · 08-20-2005, 09:30 PM

I know I started the bashing of Ramsey on this thread....but that doesn't mean I don't love what we've done with other parts of this team. I just think Ramsey is "not good" not even adequate and that is why I said we are going to live and die with Ramsey this year. I think we are going to win close games. We don't seem to have a team that is going to run away from people and put up huge offensive numbers. And when Ramsey decides to have an embolism and throw 2 very bad interceptions in a tight game.........we will lose. I don't know what the answer is........I don't think its Brunell but Campbell's contract is based on incentives starting the 2006 season if that tells you guys anything. I don't know the answer but Ramsey is not it.

Kope · 08-20-2005, 10:12 PM

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I just think Ramsey is "not good" not even adequate

How does a guy go from 3-2 the last five games of a REAL season, one team needed to beat us to lock a playoff spot no less, to being not adaquate????

He had a 94.somthing QB rating over those games!

Much better to get twitterpated over 2 games that don't count

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I think we are going to win close games. We don't seem to have a team that is going to run away from people and put up huge offensive numbers.

Winning close games is what champions do! Again in the last 5 games (a third of the season roughly) we pounded the gints and 9ers, and I think we all agree we are better on offense this year as a team. Who cares about fantasy football and offesive stats; wins count, stats don't.

The guy has earned the right to start at the begining of the REAL season, yet we forget so fast.

Remember - he is not Manning/Marino/Culpepper (what do they have in common? Great stats no SB wins!)...etc. But he can be Trent Dilfer, or Phil Simms. Heck Phil Simms had more INTs than TDs in 86...so what...The Gints won the Super Bowl in 86...take a look!

If we can run the ball at 5 yards a clip with a defense close to last years, I am not sure we even need a quarterback- just run the single wing and snap it to the RB.

Lets see how the real wins and losses shake out before we charge the castle w/ pitch forks and torches. It is one thing to say I am worried about PR throwing ints and another to say he is horrid or is a practice squad QB. Sounds like folks are listeng to Jim Rome or Sports Overnight ( :vomit-smi and :vomit-smi ) and taking it seriously.

sorry for the rant

skinnyfan · 08-20-2005, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kope

How does a guy go from 3-2 the last five games of a REAL season, one team needed to beat us to lock a playoff spot no less, to being not adaquate????

He had a 94.somthing QB rating over those games!

Much better to get twitterpated over 2 games that don't count

Winning close games is what champions do! Again in the last 5 games (a third of the season roughly) we pounded the gints and 9ers, and I think we all agree we are better on offense this year as a team. Who cares about fantasy football and offesive stats; wins count, stats don't.

The guy has earned the right to start at the begining of the REAL season, yet we forget so fast.

Remember - he is not Manning/Marino/Culpepper (what do they have in common? Great stats no SB wins!)...etc. But he can be Trent Dilfer, or Phil Simms. Heck Phil Simms had more INTs than TDs in 86...so what...The Gints won the Super Bowl in 86...take a look!

If we can run the ball at 5 yards a clip with a defense close to last years, I am not sure we even need a quarterback- just run the single wing and snap it to the RB.

Lets see how the real wins and losses shake out before we charge the castle w/ pitch forks and torches. It is one thing to say I am worried about PR throwing ints and another to say he is horrid or is a practice squad QB. Sounds like folks are listeng to Jim Rome or Sports Overnight ( :vomit-smi and :vomit-smi ) and taking it seriously.

sorry for the rant

I'm not sure I understand all the ranting about champions winning close games etc.....I just said that if we win games they will be close, not blowouts. And Ramsey's mistakes will cost us those close games. And beating the Giants and the Niners is nothing to be too proud of. I will say the Minnesota win was big and he played well but the Vikes looked uninspired in that game and went up to Green Bay and Handed them their ass......Anwyay....I'm ranting. I just think Ramsey is not an adequate QB to take this team where we all want them to go..........Playoffs, Super Bowl etc..... Look I love the Redskins, I just hate Ramsey........and I hope at some point in this season I can come back to this particular topic and apologize for raping Ramsey, but I know I'm right and I don't see us winning with Ramsey.

SmootSmack · 08-20-2005, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kope

Much better to get twitterpated over 2 games that don't count

I don't think you use the word right necessarily, nonetheless props to you for representing Owl and using the word "twitterpated" in a post about the Redskins. Bambi! What!!!

Kope · 08-20-2005, 11:36 PM

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I'm not sure I understand all the ranting about champions winning close games etc.....I just said that if we win games they will be close, not blowouts. And Ramsey's mistakes will cost us those close games. And beating the Giants and the Niners is nothing to be too proud of. I will say the Minnesota win was big and he played well but the Vikes looked uninspired in that game and went up to Green Bay and Handed them their ass......Anwyay....I'm ranting. I just think Ramsey is not an adequate QB to take this team where we all want them to go..........Playoffs, Super Bowl etc..... Look I love the Redskins, I just hate Ramsey........and I hope at some point in this season I can come back to this particular topic and apologize for raping Ramsey, but I know I'm right and I don't see us winning with Ramsey.

No worries, Skinny.

I just think folks are getting overly critical. I get the feeling if we go 10-6, make the play off and lose in the divisional round, folks will still rake PR over the coals if his stats arn't Marino like.

God forbid we turn into fans like that, because it is about wins not stats - that was my point about Simms - his stats were ass but they won the SB.

skinnyfan · 08-21-2005, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Kope

No worries, Skinny.

I just think folks are getting overly critical. I get the feeling if we go 10-6, make the play off and lose in the divisional round, folks will still rake PR over the coals if his stats arn't Marino like.

God forbid we turn into fans like that, because it is about wins not stats - that was my point about Simms - his stats were ass but they won the SB.

Thanks for the backing....a guy that can distinguish between being a fan and reality is a welcome sight every once in awhile!

08-20-2005, 02:02 PM	#2
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 56 Posts: 1,587	Re: Thoughts on the game Lost in all this is the fact that both QB's look miles better than they did at this point last year. This should make us feel a little better about things. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

08-20-2005, 02:08 PM	#4
skins052bgr8 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Richmond, Va. Age: 50 Posts: 288	Re: Thoughts on the game No kidding about the bashing! I know this is our team and all, but most of those people who are doing some extreme bashing need to like many have said this is the pre-season no need to abandon ship. Ramsey has a lot of learning from his mistakes, but the 4 years as all know have been mind blowing and would not call it 4 years worth of experience Spurrier rotation with QBS injured when named starter and then last year 7 games thrown into and offense that no matter who was QB would have done much better. Everyone agreed that Spurriers offense in the NFL was not exactly the best system to gain experience at a PRO level. Just hypothetical and don't everyone get their panties in a bunch and not even trying to compare Ramsey to Farve so chill out before you come back with your blast, but Farve is a gunslinger and could have easily had similar stats as Ramsey and plays a lot like him with his decision making from what I have seen this year. Ramsey will come along and showed great improvement. I would agree the offense was laid out last night to do exactly that get the ball downfield and use the sidelines. Defenses are going to start playing those edges and making plays if you do it over and over. We did not mix in the run well or use the center of the field game plan would have been different in th real season. Preseason is where you see if you can go down field and see what works.

08-20-2005, 03:58 PM	#5
scowan The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: KY Age: 57 Posts: 1,559	Re: Thoughts on the game Hey Guys here is my two sents on the game last night. First I agree with illdefined, when he said Portis and Cooley were Gone. Second everyone needs to remember that Arrington was not there and several other players on D were held out with minor dings. I would like to see our complete starters on the field before the Preseason is finished. The O-line is good, but without Portis, I wonder how much that hurts Ramsey. Maybe we don't need Ramsey to throw twice in every series if Portis is playing? Betts did fine, but we only ran the ball 20 times. Betts averaged 5 yards a carry. Do you think the Skins throw as much as they did last night if they average 5 yards a carry? I don't think so. I believe that Gibbs would have really been praising Ramsey if he had not thrown those 2 picks. Hey it is Preseason, so its OK! Ramsey just needs to learn from the experience.

08-20-2005, 04:52 PM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Thoughts on the game One pass people seem to think about was that EndZone interception. While it was a bad throw, it was the exact right idea. If he put another 6 inches of air under that ball it's a pretty TD. The WR was wide alone in the corner he didn't put enough on it! I'm still shaking at our 2nd CB position. Hell. Jimoh prolly played better than any CB last night. Carlos Rogers got burned, straight up flown by some CIN receiver. They toss a flag, bring it back, then CIN does the exact same thing -- TD. It really hurt. I don't know who we have that can cover those speed receivers we'll see. Springs isn't known for his speed, Rogers was getting run by, Harris is old. Will Wilds be our saving grace? __________________ Best. Player. Available.

08-20-2005, 07:03 PM	#8
BigSKINBauer Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Washington, DC Age: 38 Posts: 5,688	Re: Thoughts on the game any bengal fan that saw the game last year and the game this year must feel like we are all psyco

08-20-2005, 01:01 PM	#1
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 50 Posts: 2,631	Re: Thoughts on the game Cooley and Portis were our two biggest offensive weapons last year, and they were both GONE for this PREseason game. obviously, Gibbs was using this game to just evaluate the air game, and Ramsey was calling plays and making throws he WOULDN'T be doing in a real game! he was without his two biggest options, and both Ramsey and Gibbs now know what works when in the air and what doesn't. isn't that the POINT of a preseason game? to see the limits of specific parts of your team? apparently they weren't even going over the middle (why injure our small recievers?). to expect a one-dimensional offense, blindfolded (no Portis) and one arm behind your back (no Cooley) against a first team defense (a Marvin Lewis defense no less) with no incidents seems reaaaally short sighted.

08-20-2005, 07:05 PM	#9
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 40 Posts: 7,506	Re: Thoughts on the game My thoughts on the game are as follows.... Offensivley - Ramsey was inconsistent, but I feel better about him after this week than I do last week. I think you can teach dicison making, but you cant teach rythm. I think up until last night he had no rythm with the offense, which I think he showed last night. His desicon making needs to get alot better if he wants to succeed in the league. The obviously bad passes he should have grown out of by now, and I think Gibbs can get him in the right direction before seasons start. Overall, I feel better about Ramsey after this week than I did last week. O-Line- Freaking stout. I'm very excited about this group. Running game- We didnt run the ball enough with the starters (Betts) for me to know anything. Overall offensivley, I was exicted to see us moving the ball. If we turn the ball over like we did last night, you can forget about it. However if we can cash in with even feild goals on all the possessions we were inside the fourty last night, we win the game I think. I feel better about this unit right now; and I'm excited to see how they do against last years #1 defense in Pittsburgh. Defensivley- Our starters are awsome. Our backups not so much. Its dissapointing too, because alot of the "backups" I feel/felt could make a good impact this season. One guy I would like to focus on though for his good play is LaVar Arringtons backup Warrick Holdman. I shutter to think of the things Williams can do with this "backup". __________________ #21

08-20-2005, 09:30 PM	#10
skinnyfan Special Teams Join Date: May 2005 Age: 48 Posts: 111	Re: Thoughts on the game I know I started the bashing of Ramsey on this thread....but that doesn't mean I don't love what we've done with other parts of this team. I just think Ramsey is "not good" not even adequate and that is why I said we are going to live and die with Ramsey this year. I think we are going to win close games. We don't seem to have a team that is going to run away from people and put up huge offensive numbers. And when Ramsey decides to have an embolism and throw 2 very bad interceptions in a tight game.........we will lose. I don't know what the answer is........I don't think its Brunell but Campbell's contract is based on incentives starting the 2006 season if that tells you guys anything. I don't know the answer but Ramsey is not it.

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