Lavar Gone

RedskinPete · 03-06-2006, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yup. I agree wholeheartedly. I think the person most dissillusioned with LaVar was Williams. I have said it before and I will say it again: When GW came here, he was counting on LA to be the defensive force w/in his scheme. For reasons known only to him (though guessed at by the majority of us) GW was quickly dissuaded of that notion. LaVar had a few big games for GW, including the TBay game, but, nevertheless, he just didn't seem to "get it". LaVar WAS the face of the team when it was disorganized and losing. He stuck by it and truly wanted to win - but when push came to shove, he chaffed under the discipline and self-sacrifice demanded of winners in this league (see - M. Lewis, G. Williams). And, unfortunately (and unlike Ramsey), he needed to make his discomfort known. He reveled in the fan adoration during his success, but he seemed to need the fans, rather than the coaches, to love him during his most recent problems.

LaVar, at his peak, was an exceptional talent who clearly was able to cover for any lack of discipline by his sheer speed, strenght, and instincts. Now, however, his speed is called into question, and the defense he played in relies more on team scheme/cohesion rather than individual instinct.

LaVar may be successful somewhere else (SD has been mentioned, but I doubt it as Marty appears to be on the outs w/ ownership there), but he will always ALWAYS break some D Coordinator's heart by just not doing the small things he is supposed to do. He never has, and likely never will.

I am not here to rehash the debate on LaVar v. Gibbs/Williams/the Great Conspiracy. These are just my opinions (which I believe to be well supported).

He is in many ways a class guy. He is, in my opinion and in many ways, also a bit of head case. I wish him well and hope he has success in all his endeavors (except when playing the Skins).

Now, Thank God, we can finally move past the "Great LaVar Debate"

SO RIGHT IS SO MANY WAYS. He was really never our L.T. was he? A number 2 pick[1st round] in a draft is goen with so so numbers to show for that. Do you think he will ever be the same player he was be for being hurt or is he just a average NFL player now?

mheisig · 03-06-2006, 11:06 AM

I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed, but at the same time I guess we have to move on. Lavar was a class act and I wish him the best, so long as this doesn't come back to bite use in the ass.

You know, at a certain point I wonder who the hell I'm rooting for anymore. I've been a Skins fan since I was born and can't imagine it any other way. But after seeing players come and go on an almost yearly basis, I start to question what exactly I'm cheering for. It seems like the actual players don't even matter anymore, I'm basically rooting for a burgandy and gold uniform. Even if that person in the uniform was wearing orange and blue or silver and black last year and will be wearing green and white next year.

Whatever...guess I'm just kind of bummed. No such thing anymore as a TRUE Redskin, just somebody who's donning the uniform for a year or two before moving on.

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed, but at the same time I guess we have to move on. Lavar was a class act and I wish him the best, so long as this doesn't come back to bite use in the ass.

You know, at a certain point I wonder who the hell I'm rooting for anymore. I've been a Skins fan since I was born and can't imagine it any other way. But after seeing players come and go on an almost yearly basis, I start to question what exactly I'm cheering for. It seems like the actual players don't even matter anymore, I'm basically rooting for a burgandy and gold uniform. Even if that person in the uniform was wearing orange and blue or silver and black last year and will be wearing green and white next year.

Whatever...guess I'm just kind of bummed. No such thing anymore as a TRUE Redskin, just somebody who's donning the uniform for a year or two before moving on.

lavar wasn't picked by this staff. I think as long as the staff stays, their players will stay.

I mean, wynn's production hasn't been earth shattering and he's overpaid, but they like him in the lockerroom, so he's sticking around. washington, etc etc.

but once contracts expire its anyone's guess.

irish · 03-06-2006, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed, but at the same time I guess we have to move on. Lavar was a class act and I wish him the best, so long as this doesn't come back to bite use in the ass.

You know, at a certain point I wonder who the hell I'm rooting for anymore. I've been a Skins fan since I was born and can't imagine it any other way. But after seeing players come and go on an almost yearly basis, I start to question what exactly I'm cheering for. It seems like the actual players don't even matter anymore, I'm basically rooting for a burgandy and gold uniform. Even if that person in the uniform was wearing orange and blue or silver and black last year and will be wearing green and white next year.

Whatever...guess I'm just kind of bummed. No such thing anymore as a TRUE Redskin, just somebody who's donning the uniform for a year or two before moving on.

Like Jerry Seinfeld said, you are rooting for clothes.

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

SO RIGHT IS SO MANY WAYS. He was really never our L.T. was he? A number 2 pick[1st round] in a draft is goen with so so numbers to show for that. Do you think he will ever be the same player he was be for being hurt or is he just a average NFL player now?

he should be fully recovered next season. at least as much as possible. I think he should have 100+ tackle seasons and more than 2 sacks again next year.

RedskinPete · 03-06-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

he should be fully recovered next season. at least as much as possible. I think he should have 100+ tackle seasons and more than 2 sacks again next year.

The question can you get a player of your roster,free agent or draft a linebacker to do these same things at a lower price then LA was getting? The second question should a line backer command that much of your Cap?

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-06-2006, 08:58 AM

I know people are upset over the fact that we lost "the face of the team", but I truly believe all of this CBA stuff was a blessing in disguise (provided it gets extended). It allowed us to put some pressure on people to make some moves saturating the free agency market, driving prices down. If the CBA gets extended we will actually have plenty of cap room to make some big acquisitions.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-06-2006, 09:08 AM

Just not the Cowboys. :vomit:

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 09:32 AM

he only saves 4mill. if he stayed we'd have to ditch him eventually cause with a dead cba we couldn't afford his bonus. we don't have to pay the bonus, but he still counts as 8.8mill in deadcap (instead of 12.8). I assume he bought out his own contract cause they couldn't restructure his base and deal with his huge bonus while possibly keeping him with the team (not that they wanted to).

Its possible we ditched him to resign him, but i doubt it. GW never liked him just like gibbs was never into PR, now they're both gone.

If a player gives bonus money back, i believe they can't be traded, only released.

now there are zero distractions in the lockerroom and only one off field (taylor) guy.

drew54 · 03-06-2006, 09:42 AM

I think he will end up in a Steelers uniform. Maybe a Browns uniform.

irish · 03-06-2006, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by drew54

I think he will end up in a Steelers uniform. Maybe a Browns uniform.

LAs too rich for the steelers blood.

skins052bgr8 · 03-06-2006, 09:49 AM

Why would Lavar agree to give back 4 million dollars to a team that said if a deal was done or not he would have been cut? I do not get it are the Postons and Lavar just crazy in love with the skins and want to help the cause of what could be an opposing team down the road. Any player who was being cut no matter what, why give back money? I'm lost how does that benefit the player and his agent?

SmootSmack · 03-06-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by skins052bgr8

Why would Lavar agree to give back 4 million dollars to a team that said if a deal was done or not he would have been cut? I do not get it are the Postons and Lavar just crazy in love with the skins and want to help the cause of what could be an opposing team down the road. Any player who was being cut no matter what, why give back money? I'm lost how does that benefit the player and his agent?

I think he has a "deal" in place somewhere already and he wanted to get out of his Redskins contract right away so he can sign as soon as possible with the new team.

That Guy · 03-06-2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by skins052bgr8

Why would Lavar agree to give back 4 million dollars to a team that said if a deal was done or not he would have been cut? I do not get it are the Postons and Lavar just crazy in love with the skins and want to help the cause of what could be an opposing team down the road. Any player who was being cut no matter what, why give back money? I'm lost how does that benefit the player and his agent?

if he didn't give money back, then the skins release him july 14th and no one has money to sign him with anymore.

irish · 03-06-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

if he didn't give money back, then the skins release him july 14th and no one has money to sign him with anymore.

Yes, in reality the skins did LA a favor by dumping him now so he could maybe catch on somewhere else.

View Poll Results: How do you feel about LaVar's release?
It's good, he was overrated, expensive, and distracting	28	16.77%
It's good and we needed the cap room	21	12.57%
It sucks, but we needed the cap room	75	44.91%
It sucks, he was the face of our team for years	43	25.75%
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03-06-2006, 11:06 AM	#2
mheisig The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: The Southeast Age: 42 Posts: 2,119	Re: Lavar Gone I gotta say I'm pretty disappointed, but at the same time I guess we have to move on. Lavar was a class act and I wish him the best, so long as this doesn't come back to bite use in the ass. You know, at a certain point I wonder who the hell I'm rooting for anymore. I've been a Skins fan since I was born and can't imagine it any other way. But after seeing players come and go on an almost yearly basis, I start to question what exactly I'm cheering for. It seems like the actual players don't even matter anymore, I'm basically rooting for a burgandy and gold uniform. Even if that person in the uniform was wearing orange and blue or silver and black last year and will be wearing green and white next year. Whatever...guess I'm just kind of bummed. No such thing anymore as a TRUE Redskin, just somebody who's donning the uniform for a year or two before moving on. __________________ Your post count, reputation score, popularity ranking, VIP tag or funny signature has no bearing on how I value you as an individual.

03-06-2006, 08:58 AM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Lavar Gone I know people are upset over the fact that we lost "the face of the team", but I truly believe all of this CBA stuff was a blessing in disguise (provided it gets extended). It allowed us to put some pressure on people to make some moves saturating the free agency market, driving prices down. If the CBA gets extended we will actually have plenty of cap room to make some big acquisitions. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-06-2006, 09:08 AM	#8
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Lavar Gone Just not the Cowboys. :vomit: __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-06-2006, 09:32 AM	#9
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Lavar Gone he only saves 4mill. if he stayed we'd have to ditch him eventually cause with a dead cba we couldn't afford his bonus. we don't have to pay the bonus, but he still counts as 8.8mill in deadcap (instead of 12.8). I assume he bought out his own contract cause they couldn't restructure his base and deal with his huge bonus while possibly keeping him with the team (not that they wanted to). Its possible we ditched him to resign him, but i doubt it. GW never liked him just like gibbs was never into PR, now they're both gone. If a player gives bonus money back, i believe they can't be traded, only released. now there are zero distractions in the lockerroom and only one off field (taylor) guy.

03-06-2006, 09:42 AM	#10
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 43 Posts: 1,324	Re: Lavar Gone I think he will end up in a Steelers uniform. Maybe a Browns uniform. __________________ No pressure, no diamonds.

03-06-2006, 09:49 AM	#12
skins052bgr8 Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Richmond, Va. Age: 50 Posts: 288	Re: Lavar Gone Why would Lavar agree to give back 4 million dollars to a team that said if a deal was done or not he would have been cut? I do not get it are the Postons and Lavar just crazy in love with the skins and want to help the cause of what could be an opposing team down the road. Any player who was being cut no matter what, why give back money? I'm lost how does that benefit the player and his agent?

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