Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

Mauicruzer · 09-18-2006, 01:37 AM

This is my first post here. So ALOHA everyone and hang in there. I could not of been more frustrated watching a game as i was today. Brunell's bounce passes and "paranoid" game management sure is irritating. O-line needs to take a long hard look at themselves as well. Im not sure if benching Brunell is our best option right now. All I can say is it is going to be a long painful week in my sports world.

Longtimefan · 09-18-2006, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mauicruzer

This is my first post here. So ALOHA everyone and hang in there. I could not of been more frustrated watching a game as i was today. Brunell's bounce passes and "paranoid" game management sure is irritating. O-line needs to take a long hard look at themselves as well. Im not sure if benching Brunell is our best option right now. All I can say is it is going to be a long painful week in my sports world.

WELCOME!! Personally I think there are very few here who will beg to differ with you.

jrey · 09-18-2006, 02:23 AM

I believe Mark Brunell's inability to throw the ball downfield or get the ball in playmaker's hands is the major reason the Redskins lost. He never looked comfortable in the pocket all night even though pass protection was overall adequate under the circumstances. Something is up with his confidence or his mechanics because several times during the evening he was unable to make the routine throw.

since7skinsfan · 09-18-2006, 04:20 AM

I have to start off by saying what I imagine many were thinking at the beginning of this season: that the Skins were going to be even better this year. They made some key acquisitions (not just big names as they have in the past), they brought an offensive guru, and got rid of a potential distraction (Arrington...though I did question it at the time). I unfortunately see a team in every bit of an offensive funk as they were towards the tail end of the season of 05. Against Philidelphia in the last game the offense looked a little suspect, then against Tampa Bay it was dead, and again Seattle it was never revived. Since those games the progression has only become worse. Four straight awful preseason games followed by two pathetic regular season games for a total of potentially nine games now that they looked poor on offense. So one has to begin to question what happened around this time....and there it is. The injury to Brunell. Since that time Brunell has been playing not to get hurt and not to win. The fire in Brunell is not only gone but completely burned out. When the fire of Brad Johnson (who is almost 2 years Brunells senior) is greater we have real problems. Did any notice Brad's comments when he scored the tying touchdown...something like "motherf&*&er". I would love to have a quaterback with that passion. Instead after each unnecessary toss away pass, or patheticly missed throw he walks off the field with an air of smug appathy and acceptace of his feeble abilities. He looks to Gibbs as if saying "I'm not sure what happened". I can tell you what happened. You are way way past your prime, and your passion for this game and for winning is nonexsistent to the point that it is apparent in every play you are a part of. In short...the time is to move on. Not next season...not in 4 games..but next game. Anyone who thinks we are going to even make it to the playoffs this year is fooling themselves...not in this division...not this year. If we accept that the future is Jason Cambell then why not move in this direction now. Give the kid a chance to grow and if we finish poor this season at least we may get a decent draft from it. I finish with this.

The defense and special...not the offense kept us in the game. And when the defense put the Skins in a position to tie at the 40 yard line it was not Cooley, Moss, Betts, Al Saunders, or Gibbs who gave away the drive and in the end lost the game. It was Brunell!

rickmmrr · 09-18-2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by since7skinsfan

I have to start off by saying what I imagine many were thinking at the beginning of this season: that the Skins were going to be even better this year. They made some key acquisitions (not just big names as they have in the past), they brought an offensive guru, and got rid of a potential distraction (Arrington...though I did question it at the time). I unfortunately see a team in every bit of an offensive funk as they were towards the tail end of the season of 05. Against Philidelphia in the last game the offense looked a little suspect, then against Tampa Bay it was dead, and again Seattle it was never revived. Since those games the progression has only become worse. Four straight awful preseason games followed by two pathetic regular season games for a total of potentially nine games now that they looked poor on offense. So one has to begin to question what happened around this time....and there it is. The injury to Brunell. Since that time Brunell has been playing not to get hurt and not to win. The fire in Brunell is not only gone but completely burned out. When the fire of Brad Johnson (who is almost 2 years Brunells senior) is greater we have real problems. Did any notice Brad's comments when he scored the tying touchdown...something like "motherf&*&er". I would love to have a quaterback with that passion. Instead after each unnecessary toss away pass, or patheticly missed throw he walks off the field with an air of smug appathy and acceptace of his feeble abilities. He looks to Gibbs as if saying "I'm not sure what happened". I can tell you what happened. You are way way past your prime, and your passion for this game and for winning is nonexsistent to the point that it is apparent in every play you are a part of. In short...the time is to move on. Not next season...not in 4 games..but next game. Anyone who thinks we are going to even make it to the playoffs this year is fooling themselves...not in this division...not this year. If we accept that the future is Jason Cambell then why not move in this direction now. Give the kid a chance to grow and if we finish poor this season at least we may get a decent draft from it. I finish with this.

The defense and special...not the offense kept us in the game. And when the defense put the Skins in a position to tie at the 40 yard line it was not Cooley, Moss, Betts, Al Saunders, or Gibbs who gave away the drive and in the end lost the game. It was Brunell!

Could not agree more.

We have arguably the best receiving core in the NFL and Brunell does not evan try to get it too them. Something is really wrong.

since7skinsfan · 09-18-2006, 04:24 AM

I have to start off by saying what I imagine many were thinking at the beginning of this season: that the Skins were going to be even better this year. They made some key acquisitions (not just big names as they have in the past), they brought an offensive guru, and got rid of a potential distraction (Arrington...though I did question it at the time). I unfortunately see a team in every bit of an offensive funk as they were towards the tail end of the season of 05. Against Philidelphia in the last game the offense looked a little suspect, then against Tampa Bay it was dead, and again in Seattle it was never revived. Since those games the progression has only become worse. Four straight awful preseason games followed by two pathetic regular season games for a total of potentially nine games now that they have looked horrendous on offense. So one has to begin to question what happened around this time....and there it is. The injury to Brunell. Since that time Brunell has been playing not to get hurt and not to win. The fire in Brunell is not only gone but completely burned out. When the fire of Brad Johnson (who is almost 2 years Brunells senior) is greater we have real problems. Did anyone notice Brad's comments when he scored the tying touchdown...something like "motherf&*&er". I would love to have a quaterback with that passion. Instead after each unnecessary toss away pass, or patheticly missed throw he walks off the field with an air of smug appathy and acceptace of his feeble abilities. He looks to Gibbs as if saying "I'm not sure what happened". I can tell you what happened. You are way way past your prime, and your passion for this game and for winning is nonexsistent to the point that it is apparent in every play you are a part of. In short...the time is to move on. Not next season...not in 4 games..but next game. Anyone who thinks we are going to even make it to the playoffs this year is fooling themselves...not in this division...not this year. If we accept that the future is Jason Cambell then why not move in this direction now. Give the kid a chance to grow and if we finish poor this season at least we may get a decent draft from it. I finish with this.

The defense and special...not the offense kept us in the game. And when the defense put the Skins in a position to tie at the 40 yard line it was not Cooley, Moss, Betts, Lloyd, Sellers, Al Saunders, or even Gibbs who gave away the drive and in the end lost the game. It was Brunell!

BMF21 · 09-18-2006, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by since7skinsfan

I have to start off by saying what I imagine many were thinking at the beginning of this season: that the Skins were going to be even better this year. They made some key acquisitions (not just big names as they have in the past), they brought an offensive guru, and got rid of a potential distraction (Arrington...though I did question it at the time). I unfortunately see a team in every bit of an offensive funk as they were towards the tail end of the season of 05. Against Philidelphia in the last game the offense looked a little suspect, then against Tampa Bay it was dead, and again in Seattle it was never revived. Since those games the progression has only become worse. Four straight awful preseason games followed by two pathetic regular season games for a total of potentially nine games now that they have looked horrendous on offense. So one has to begin to question what happened around this time....and there it is. The injury to Brunell. Since that time Brunell has been playing not to get hurt and not to win. The fire in Brunell is not only gone but completely burned out. When the fire of Brad Johnson (who is almost 2 years Brunells senior) is greater we have real problems. Did anyone notice Brad's comments when he scored the tying touchdown...something like "motherf&*&er". I would love to have a quaterback with that passion. Instead after each unnecessary toss away pass, or patheticly missed throw he walks off the field with an air of smug appathy and acceptace of his feeble abilities. He looks to Gibbs as if saying "I'm not sure what happened". I can tell you what happened. You are way way past your prime, and your passion for this game and for winning is nonexsistent to the point that it is apparent in every play you are a part of. In short...the time is to move on. Not next season...not in 4 games..but next game. Anyone who thinks we are going to even make it to the playoffs this year is fooling themselves...not in this division...not this year. If we accept that the future is Jason Cambell then why not move in this direction now. Give the kid a chance to grow and if we finish poor this season at least we may get a decent draft from it. I finish with this.

The defense and special...not the offense kept us in the game. And when the defense put the Skins in a position to tie at the 40 yard line it was not Cooley, Moss, Betts, Lloyd, Sellers, Al Saunders, or even Gibbs who gave away the drive and in the end lost the game. It was Brunell!

YEAH, well said

That Guy · 09-18-2006, 07:42 AM

its not just him, but i think he is a primary cause, and i'm not really sure saunders was really needed that badly.

budw38 · 09-18-2006, 08:03 AM

I like Brunell , but he just does not have it . I also believe that our takles need to pass protect MUCH better , and we better get some pass rushers next year , A Carter ,,, what did they see in him , he has not come close to the qb once .

EEich · 09-18-2006, 08:16 AM

Brunell looked terrible, and I would be in favor of replacing him, but he didn't have any help from Samuels or Jansen. He had no pass protection all game.

However, the guy I blame the most for the loss is Gibbs. If Portis says he's healthy enough to play in a game against your arch-rival, you play him. Are you resting him so he'll be ready for Houston next week? Give me a break.

SmootSmack · 09-18-2006, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by EEich

Brunell looked terrible, and I would be in favor of replacing him, but he didn't have any help from Samuels or Jansen. He had no pass protection all game.

However, the guy I blame the most for the loss is Gibbs. If Portis says he's healthy enough to play in a game against your arch-rival, you play him. Are you resting him so he'll be ready for Houston next week? Give me a break.

Portis said he was lying about that to play mindgames with the Cowboys, making them think he was healthy enough. But he wasn't

rickmmrr · 09-18-2006, 08:19 AM

It took Gibbs a little over a quarter of one game to decide to pull Ramsey. Lets see how long it takes to pull Brunell.

MTK · 09-18-2006, 08:25 AM

No, he's not the only reason, far from it right now.

We've played like shit in all phases of the game.

Longtimefan · 09-18-2006, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

No, he's not the only reason, far from it right now.

We've played like shit in all phases of the game.

We are playing so poorly right now it's difficult to pinpoint any one phase and say "this is the problem". It's across the board, but unfortunately in football (espically where offense is concerned) it's the QB who shares both the credit and the blame. Until Brunell turn's in some better performances, he'll continue to share the blame for all that's wrong with the offense. Presonally I look for more out of the position than Brunell has exhibited going back to the end of last season. While it's not all on Brunell, he is the leader of this offense and it's only justified we look for more from him.

#56fanatic · 09-18-2006, 08:27 AM

I have been a big supporter of Brunnell since last year. (not his first year!!) I find it hard to put ALL the blame on one guy in a game like that. I want to see Brunell and this offense when Portis is healthy for me to make a decision. He looks bad, I can see that. We got out played all over the field. the O-line was getting abused pass and run blocking. Our D was getting used on 3rd down. Other than Rock's TD, we were outplayed everwhere. I go back to a very early play in the game when the momentum switched. we were somewhat moving the ball, and it was 3rd and 1. it was in the 1st quarter, maybe 2nd. and they TOSS the ball to Betts ON THIRD AND 1!!!!!. We get mushed for a yard loss. I just dont understand why we kept calling that play. sweep right, stretch right. we had to be -10 yards on that. and why dont you have duckett or sellers running the damn ball up the middle or behind Thomas on 3rd and 1. the play calling last night on some plays was questionable. on both sides. on 3 and a mile williams sends 3 guys after bledsoe, after eating some Texas Toast and drinking a beer in the pocket, bledsoe and Dallas converted another 3rd down. I just dont see the same intensity from our D, and we look confused and unmotivated on offense. I think we screwed up the team chemistry bringing some of these NEW guys in. Andrea Carter has to be the worst of them all. He gets pushed all over the damn field and Arch looks like a 9 year old sitting in a Grad school Med program. is he that damn dumb?

View Poll Results: Is it time to bench Brunell?
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09-18-2006, 01:37 AM	#1
Mauicruzer Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: maui Posts: 15	Re: Bench Brunell This is my first post here. So ALOHA everyone and hang in there. I could not of been more frustrated watching a game as i was today. Brunell's bounce passes and "paranoid" game management sure is irritating. O-line needs to take a long hard look at themselves as well. Im not sure if benching Brunell is our best option right now. All I can say is it is going to be a long painful week in my sports world.

09-18-2006, 02:23 AM	#3
jrey Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1	Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? I believe Mark Brunell's inability to throw the ball downfield or get the ball in playmaker's hands is the major reason the Redskins lost. He never looked comfortable in the pocket all night even though pass protection was overall adequate under the circumstances. Something is up with his confidence or his mechanics because several times during the evening he was unable to make the routine throw.

09-18-2006, 04:20 AM	#4
since7skinsfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? I have to start off by saying what I imagine many were thinking at the beginning of this season: that the Skins were going to be even better this year. They made some key acquisitions (not just big names as they have in the past), they brought an offensive guru, and got rid of a potential distraction (Arrington...though I did question it at the time). I unfortunately see a team in every bit of an offensive funk as they were towards the tail end of the season of 05. Against Philidelphia in the last game the offense looked a little suspect, then against Tampa Bay it was dead, and again Seattle it was never revived. Since those games the progression has only become worse. Four straight awful preseason games followed by two pathetic regular season games for a total of potentially nine games now that they looked poor on offense. So one has to begin to question what happened around this time....and there it is. The injury to Brunell. Since that time Brunell has been playing not to get hurt and not to win. The fire in Brunell is not only gone but completely burned out. When the fire of Brad Johnson (who is almost 2 years Brunells senior) is greater we have real problems. Did any notice Brad's comments when he scored the tying touchdown...something like "motherf&*&er". I would love to have a quaterback with that passion. Instead after each unnecessary toss away pass, or patheticly missed throw he walks off the field with an air of smug appathy and acceptace of his feeble abilities. He looks to Gibbs as if saying "I'm not sure what happened". I can tell you what happened. You are way way past your prime, and your passion for this game and for winning is nonexsistent to the point that it is apparent in every play you are a part of. In short...the time is to move on. Not next season...not in 4 games..but next game. Anyone who thinks we are going to even make it to the playoffs this year is fooling themselves...not in this division...not this year. If we accept that the future is Jason Cambell then why not move in this direction now. Give the kid a chance to grow and if we finish poor this season at least we may get a decent draft from it. I finish with this. The defense and special...not the offense kept us in the game. And when the defense put the Skins in a position to tie at the 40 yard line it was not Cooley, Moss, Betts, Al Saunders, or Gibbs who gave away the drive and in the end lost the game. It was Brunell!

09-18-2006, 04:24 AM	#6
since7skinsfan Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 5	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? I have to start off by saying what I imagine many were thinking at the beginning of this season: that the Skins were going to be even better this year. They made some key acquisitions (not just big names as they have in the past), they brought an offensive guru, and got rid of a potential distraction (Arrington...though I did question it at the time). I unfortunately see a team in every bit of an offensive funk as they were towards the tail end of the season of 05. Against Philidelphia in the last game the offense looked a little suspect, then against Tampa Bay it was dead, and again in Seattle it was never revived. Since those games the progression has only become worse. Four straight awful preseason games followed by two pathetic regular season games for a total of potentially nine games now that they have looked horrendous on offense. So one has to begin to question what happened around this time....and there it is. The injury to Brunell. Since that time Brunell has been playing not to get hurt and not to win. The fire in Brunell is not only gone but completely burned out. When the fire of Brad Johnson (who is almost 2 years Brunells senior) is greater we have real problems. Did anyone notice Brad's comments when he scored the tying touchdown...something like "motherf&*&er". I would love to have a quaterback with that passion. Instead after each unnecessary toss away pass, or patheticly missed throw he walks off the field with an air of smug appathy and acceptace of his feeble abilities. He looks to Gibbs as if saying "I'm not sure what happened". I can tell you what happened. You are way way past your prime, and your passion for this game and for winning is nonexsistent to the point that it is apparent in every play you are a part of. In short...the time is to move on. Not next season...not in 4 games..but next game. Anyone who thinks we are going to even make it to the playoffs this year is fooling themselves...not in this division...not this year. If we accept that the future is Jason Cambell then why not move in this direction now. Give the kid a chance to grow and if we finish poor this season at least we may get a decent draft from it. I finish with this. The defense and special...not the offense kept us in the game. And when the defense put the Skins in a position to tie at the 40 yard line it was not Cooley, Moss, Betts, Lloyd, Sellers, Al Saunders, or even Gibbs who gave away the drive and in the end lost the game. It was Brunell!

09-18-2006, 07:42 AM	#8
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? its not just him, but i think he is a primary cause, and i'm not really sure saunders was really needed that badly.

09-18-2006, 08:03 AM	#9
budw38 Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern,Va. Posts: 2,706	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? I like Brunell , but he just does not have it . I also believe that our takles need to pass protect MUCH better , and we better get some pass rushers next year , A Carter ,,, what did they see in him , he has not come close to the qb once .

09-18-2006, 08:16 AM	#10
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 62 Posts: 1,001	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? Brunell looked terrible, and I would be in favor of replacing him, but he didn't have any help from Samuels or Jansen. He had no pass protection all game. However, the guy I blame the most for the loss is Gibbs. If Portis says he's healthy enough to play in a game against your arch-rival, you play him. Are you resting him so he'll be ready for Houston next week? Give me a break.

09-18-2006, 08:19 AM	#12
rickmmrr Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 395	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? It took Gibbs a little over a quarter of one game to decide to pull Ramsey. Lets see how long it takes to pull Brunell.

09-18-2006, 08:25 AM	#13
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? No, he's not the only reason, far from it right now. We've played like shit in all phases of the game. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

09-18-2006, 08:27 AM	#15
#56fanatic The Starter Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Charlotte NC Age: 51 Posts: 1,801	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? I have been a big supporter of Brunnell since last year. (not his first year!!) I find it hard to put ALL the blame on one guy in a game like that. I want to see Brunell and this offense when Portis is healthy for me to make a decision. He looks bad, I can see that. We got out played all over the field. the O-line was getting abused pass and run blocking. Our D was getting used on 3rd down. Other than Rock's TD, we were outplayed everwhere. I go back to a very early play in the game when the momentum switched. we were somewhat moving the ball, and it was 3rd and 1. it was in the 1st quarter, maybe 2nd. and they TOSS the ball to Betts ON THIRD AND 1!!!!!. We get mushed for a yard loss. I just dont understand why we kept calling that play. sweep right, stretch right. we had to be -10 yards on that. and why dont you have duckett or sellers running the damn ball up the middle or behind Thomas on 3rd and 1. the play calling last night on some plays was questionable. on both sides. on 3 and a mile williams sends 3 guys after bledsoe, after eating some Texas Toast and drinking a beer in the pocket, bledsoe and Dallas converted another 3rd down. I just dont see the same intensity from our D, and we look confused and unmotivated on offense. I think we screwed up the team chemistry bringing some of these NEW guys in. Andrea Carter has to be the worst of them all. He gets pushed all over the damn field and Arch looks like a 9 year old sitting in a Grad school Med program. is he that damn dumb?

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