Can We Bench Brunell Now

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

He might as well have. Who still thinks Golston was a decent find?

it's partially on him but also where were the lbs to fill the gaps and wrap up what the big boys missed?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Did Brunell play defensive tackle or linebacker today?

Somebody answer that for me.

Possibly their lack of faith in his abilities as a QB had some impact on the D's game.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

Listen since we know holdmen stinks why not start rocky since we traded up to get him. Lets see what he has. Its not all brunell fault, what im saying is the skins are not going anywhere so lets see what campbell has. We have to know if he going to be ready for next year.We wasted three or four picks on him let see what he has. Those are players that could be starting right now if we didnt trade away all the picks to get campbell. Lets be real Brunell will not lead us anywhere trust me. A blindman can see that. Hail to the skins.

[NYCSkin]

Brunell will never say that. If he did--he should be cut right away. Any player that asks to be benched or even suggests it is no kind of guy you want on your team. Even if Brunell is washed up, it is the coaches responsibility to make tough calls like this one.

[Daseal]

I don't know if anyone else has said this or not, but if Campbell is ready, why did Collins get the call to warm up when Brunell got hurt?

They've said if Brunell goes down in a game, Collins finishes the game. Campbell gets the start after a full week of prep.

And before we start calling Saunders out lets remember he's a proven genious at O-coordinator everywhere he's been, so what is wrong with this picture? I will give you a hint it starts with B and ends with runell!

One thing to keep in mind. I have tons of faith in Al. But when was the last time he had a bomb offense without Vermeil?

[dall-assblows]

i want to see campbell so bad, but with gibbs here he is going to say "i have so much faith in brunell, and i feel like he can lead our team too victory"

i'm so tired of hearing that from him, that is one thing i Hate about gibbs, that if something obviously needs to be changed it doesn't happen.

there comes a time when you need to make a change for the betterment of the team and put friendships aside. look at phillip rivers-he didn't play for 2 years and now he is tearing it up!

i see that and i think what campbell could be right now.

you draft a first round pick to play him, if he goes to another team and we still have brunell or collins i will never watch the skins ever again.

and i can see that happening with snyder, he doesn't know shit about football!

i'm not saying i know what his job is, i'm not saying i'm better than him or anything, but i could see it

[Dogtag]

Can we bench Brunell?

I don't have that authority. Do you?

Frustration is one thing but get real.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Apparently it's in the WP too.

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

I say wait one more game. I agree with other posters that it sends a bad message if you pull MB out too soon and the season isn't lost yet... but it's getting close.

If we lose next week, I pine for Campbell.

[wilsowilso]

Originally Posted by T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.

I say wait one more game. I agree with other posters that it sends a bad message if you pull MB out too soon and the season isn't lost yet... but it's getting close.

If we lose next week, I pine for Campbell.

It sends a bad message if you pull MB out too soon???? What kind of message does it send to keep that bum in there?

Welcome to the board as well!

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

It sends a bad message if you pull MB out too soon???? What kind of message does it send to keep that bum in there?

Welcome to the board as well!

If you leave him in there you're still trying to make it to the playoffs this season. Maybe I'm too optimistic. It's a long shot but realistic enough, and the team HAS been working it's ass off. If you put in Campbell you're playing for next year.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but if we had to win just one game, I'd still want Brunell in. And yes, I may be willing to eat my words a few weeks from now.

Adn thanks for the welcome

[JWsleep]

Let's get something clear: bring up the D in this thread is a red herring. Yes, they sucked--and that is to my mind the most fundamentla problem with the skins. But that DOES NOT LET MB OF THE HOOK. Two wrongs don't make a right.

MB is done, and the stats are decieving IMO. He doesn't have a strong arm (JC does), he doesn;t move well any more (JC does), and he seems to get happy-feet and be unable to make good reads (JC could do that, for what it's worth). Outside of the bomb to Lloyd, his passes were largely short and dumpoff. He had several easy INTs dropped, and he threw into triple coverage to end the game. Does this really give us "the best chance to win"? I am dubious... People outside the skins don't think so; it seems like Gibbs is the last die-hard supporter.

Start JC for a number of reasons:

1. He needs experience--the obnly way to learn to read NFL defenses is to play against them.

2. If he isn't good, we need to know ASAP.

3. He showed flashes of what he can do in preseason. In this offense, with these playmakers, he wouldn't have to win games on his own, folks. He's got CP, Cooley, Moss, ARE, etc, etc. And we know he is very coachable--not a loose cannon who will do crazy stuff. He can win us ball games, or at least do like MB is supposed: not lose them.

4. The team needs a lift. Whatever is going on in public, you know behind close doors and in private, the playmakers of this offense are getting down.

5. It will give us fans something meaningful to root for this season (assuming, as I do, given the schedule, that we are in all probablity done).

6. If I here one more Gibbs quote about super-smart MB fighting his guts out, I am going to puke MY guts out.

[FRPLG]

I have been a long time Brunell supporter but the evidence is in. We simply cannot rely on him to be consistently good enough to win games. He is not THE problem on offense but he is A problem on offense and unfortunately he has nowhere to go but down. The guy is 36 and when he plays well gives us a good chance to win that is for sure. The problem is that he only plays well about half the time and with the state of our offense we simply cannot over come his bad play. The other problem is that his incosistently could be huge factor in the lack of development in terms of offense. I am not ready to give up on the season but I just don't think that Brunell really does give us the best chance to win week in and week out. I was at the game. He did several things that he has done at other times this season.

1) he simply missed open guys. on maybe 8-9 plays he went to what I would consider a poor option when there were open guys he should have either seen or not ignored.

2) he is almost incapable of throwing intermediate passes. We have complained all along that he doesn't have the arm to go downfield. That is not the problem. He has plenty enough arm to chuck the ball downfield and let fast WRs get to it. He doesn't NOT have the arm to throw a well time and accurate 20 yard seam route in between 2 defenders. Now that is a hard throw but it is throw a good QB can make. He missed 5-6 intermediate throws today and I'd say that he should be expected to have hit 3 of them. I mean on several of them they weren't even close.

And I don't want to hear about him being hurt. If being hurt really affects his effectiveness this bad then that is a BAD thing. Favre spent a career playing through minor injuries. McNabb is doing the same. Hell McNabb played with the same injury that Springs has missed weeks because of. Lots of QBs have little injuries that wont keep them out of games. It just seems that whenever Brunell gets one it doesn't keep him out either but it keeps him from playing well in any way.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

2) he is almost incapable of throwing intermediate passes. We have complained all along that he doesn't have the arm to go downfield. That is not the problem. He has plenty enough arm to chuck the ball downfield and let fast WRs get to it. He doesn't NOT have the arm to throw a well time and accurate 20 yard seam route in between 2 defenders. Now that is a hard throw but it is throw a good QB can make. He missed 5-6 intermediate throws today and I'd say that he should be expected to have hit 3 of them. I mean on several of them they weren't even close.

This, to me, is the real damning evidence against Brunnell. When he has time, he can rear back and fire the deep ball (not particularly nicely, but whatever), but he just cannot hit these crucial mid-range passes. This is the pass that beats the cover 2, IMO. In between CBs and Safties, Safties and LBs, etc. You beat a zone by sitting in the soft sopts or running in the seams. MB can't do that. And, obviously, this is a big part of any offense, especially Saunders, with its shifts and mismatches. Campbell has the arm to do this. Yes, Iknow, he doesn't have expereince reading Ds, and so he's going to throw INTs. But he's gotta learn sometime, and MB ISN'T GETTING IT DONE ANYWAY. Good post, FRPLG (I think of you as "Fur Plug"--what does this stand for, btw? )

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Good post, FRPLG (I think of you as "Fur Plug"--what does this stand for, btw? )

Fire Plug. Old nick name. Retarded one too but it became my online persona.