It's not Brunell's fault!

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-23-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Against the NFC East, we've been outscored 46-13, and have not scored an offensive touchdown.

That sums everything up. Even if our offense scored 25 points and racked up 450 yards a game, our defense would let the opponents beat us. Conversely, even if our defense held opponents to 15 points per game, we'd still lose because our offense can't score.

Does anyone else need any evidence of how BOTH units are to blame for our woes?

0421kidwell · 10-24-2006, 05:55 PM

i am just stating the obvious it is brunell's fault he's old and washed up!! why did we keep him, just because someone disagree's with you you should not hold it against that person!! If your a brunell lover undertand this HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REDSKINS A SUPERBOWL

SmootSmack · 10-24-2006, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 0421kidwell

i am just stating the obvious it is brunell's fault he's old and washed up!! why did we keep him, just because someone disagree's with you you should not hold it against that person!! If your a brunell lover undertand this HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REDSKINS A SUPERBOWL

First quit with the bold and bigger font. Second, if all you want to keep saying in every post is Brunell sucks, he's garbage I'm sure even those that agree with you would agree with me that you add nothing at all by repeating it in every thread

GTripp0012 · 10-24-2006, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 0421kidwell

i am just stating the obvious it is brunell's fault he's old and washed up!! why did we keep him, just because someone disagree's with you you should not hold it against that person!! If your a brunell lover undertand this HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REDSKINS A SUPERBOWL

This is probably true. However this sentence could be rephrased less biasedly as, "The Washington Redskins will never win the super bowl during the span of Mark Brunell's career." Equally true, and doesn't blame MB for something he has little control over.

0421kidwell · 10-24-2006, 06:08 PM

What is this English class?Ok I will break down Brunell,
A: He can't throw deep
B: He's old
C: HE intimidates nobody noteven the raiders
D: Saunders cant call deep plays because Mark cannot throw the ball deep to anybody
E: No speed
F: He's lost the "it" factor?
G: Besides Elway name me one player after the age of 37 that has won a suprbowl at QB at that age? Also tell me if that player is in the hall of fame or not?
H: How many people boo mark constantely at the home games?
I: OLD QB'S CAN'T WIN SUPERBOWL'S unless they are John Elway

GTripp0012 · 10-24-2006, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 0421kidwell

What is this English class?Ok I will break down Brunell,
A: He can't throw deep
B: He's old
C: HE intimidates nobody noteven the raiders
D: Saunders cant call deep plays because Mark cannot throw the ball deep to anybody
E: No speed
F: He's lost the "it" factor?
G: Besides Elway name me one player after the age of 37 that has won a suprbowl at QB at that age? Also tell me if that player is in the hall of fame or not?
H: How many people boo mark constantely at the home games?
I: OLD QB'S CAN'T WIN SUPERBOWL'S unless they are John Elway

Elway was the greatest ever to play, IMO. Brunell was never asked to do what John Elway did. But I'll take your quiz.

A. Sure he could and he does at times.
B. Good Point.
C. You can't intimidate the Raiders. You beat the Raiders while they attempt to intimidate you.
D. Without getting into how the nature of playcalling disallows a coach to "call a deep play", you've already made this point in A.
E. I'd say he moves quite well for a 37 year old. If your point is that he's old, good work.
F. I don't think so. I believe in the "it" factor, or QB intangibles. I don't think you EVER lose it, but its a subjective topic, so you can't prove that.
G. Well, Elway was the oldest player ever to win a SB at age 37, so you really have me there! But 4 years ago Rich Gannon played in the Super Bowl at age 37, and was the league MVP that year. So if you are saying old QBs can't play, that's quite easily disprovable.
H. Anyone who is frusterated at the team.
I. Well, Elway was the oldest player ever to win a SB at age 37, so you really have me there! But 4 years ago Rich Gannon played in the Super Bowl at age 37, and was the league MVP that year. So if you are saying old QBs can't play, that's quite easily disprovable.

Welcome to the boards.

0421kidwell · 10-24-2006, 06:19 PM

Why do people support this bum? Do you want him in anymore GTRIPP? Or do you want a fresh body?? Should we make a run at Quinn?

GTripp0012 · 10-24-2006, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 0421kidwell

Why do people support this bum? Do you want him in anymore GTRIPP? Or do you want a fresh body?? Should we make a run at Quinn?

Follow my posts in the bigger Brunell threads. I've more than defended my position. Yes, I want him in because I want to beat the Dallas Cowboys. Not just beat them. Make a statement. I don't want to watch the Cowboys introduce Campbell to the NFL. I want to watch Tony Romo as our defense rises from the dead and starts beating the crap out of the Dallas OLine. I want our offense to take that momentum and put up 20+ points. Thats what I want to see!

*evil cackle*

Campbell's time can wait.

skinsguy · 10-24-2006, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 0421kidwell

Why do people support this bum? Do you want him in anymore GTRIPP? Or do you want a fresh body?? Should we make a run at Quinn?

Because alot of us are smart enough to take a step back and look at the whole picture. While we all agree that Brunell isn't an MVP quarterback, he has played well enough to have won us more games than what we have. Secondly, if it is all on the QB, then why is it that teams are running and passing against us at will? Our tackling sucks.... how does putting in another QB fix our defense? If our defense played even half as good as it did last year, then this team would be battling for first place in the division right now.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-23-2006, 05:39 PM

Good point re: TOP GTripp. I just think our team's record is a collaborative effort between the defense and the offense.

SOME of the blame for the offense's inability to score points has to be laid at Brunell's feet. He is, after all, the quarterback.

GTripp0012 · 10-23-2006, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Good point re: TOP GTripp. I just think our team's record is a collaborative effort between the defense and the offense.

SOME of the blame for the offense's inability to score points has to be laid at Brunell's feet. He is, after all, the quarterback.

My goal is not to absolve him of all blame. The great ones have the ability to rise to the next level, and make sure the team wins. At 2-5, Brunell has not won the games. I guess we've learned that Brunell is not great. But considering the conditions that he plays in, the guy, IMO, has played admiribly. I would not expect such production from a guy who is on the hot seat. He's good, not great.

It is beyond obvious to me that he gives this team it's best chance to win and that's all I'm saying. At the point where winning now becomes secondary to winning in the future, he will probably glady relinquish the job upon Gibbs request. He's a classy guy. We are still a loss within the division away from that point.

And thats the final word on Brunell from me...for today at least.

illdefined · 10-23-2006, 06:03 PM

anyone want to explain to me how the 'efficiency' of consistently connecting on the 5yd completion on 3rd and 9, is better than potentially making a 50yd bomb?

even an interception 50yds down the field would be better than a surefire 4th and 4. no chance of scoring on a punt, and its almost the same field position!

drew54 · 10-23-2006, 06:11 PM

Dog ate his playbook.

hooskins · 10-23-2006, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by drew54

Dog ate his playbook.

Or maybe Dog the Bounty Hunter arrested his playbook brah!

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itvnetop · 10-23-2006, 07:12 PM

I think we're forgetting that we tend to abandon the run fairly quickly... i think i remember a stat during the first half where the pass-run ratio was like 14 to 8 at one point (I may be off a little bit).

We've played two of the worst run defenses the past two weeks and yet, we're passing all the time. OK, Portis was stuffed his first 6 carries for like 1 yard- but even bad rush defenses can start a game on fire. You have to keep plugging away at it, and in the Skins' offense that means b/t the tackles instead of these wide tosses.

Our O-line shines in run blocking and the coordinator just has to keep faith in the line until Portis starts getting those 4, 5, 6 yard clips. This also helps with the TOP. Abandoning the run early with our offense sets up for limited pass plays with the QB we have.

I'm far from Brunell's biggest fan... in fact, I want to see Campbell in there just to spark something. But MB has shown the ability to throw the long ball this season when it's there. I'm also still a Saunders supporter... but I think his playcalling has been suspect the past few weeks, considering the rush defenses played.

10-24-2006, 05:55 PM	#2
0421kidwell Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MANCHESTER MARYLAND Posts: 68	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! i am just stating the obvious it is brunell's fault he's old and washed up!! why did we keep him, just because someone disagree's with you you should not hold it against that person!! If your a brunell lover undertand this HE WILL NEVER WIN THE REDSKINS A SUPERBOWL

10-24-2006, 06:08 PM	#5
0421kidwell Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MANCHESTER MARYLAND Posts: 68	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! What is this English class?Ok I will break down Brunell, A: He can't throw deep B: He's old C: HE intimidates nobody noteven the raiders D: Saunders cant call deep plays because Mark cannot throw the ball deep to anybody E: No speed F: He's lost the "it" factor? G: Besides Elway name me one player after the age of 37 that has won a suprbowl at QB at that age? Also tell me if that player is in the hall of fame or not? H: How many people boo mark constantely at the home games? I: OLD QB'S CAN'T WIN SUPERBOWL'S unless they are John Elway

10-24-2006, 06:19 PM	#7
0421kidwell Registered User Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: MANCHESTER MARYLAND Posts: 68	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! Why do people support this bum? Do you want him in anymore GTRIPP? Or do you want a fresh body?? Should we make a run at Quinn?

10-23-2006, 05:39 PM	#10
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! Good point re: TOP GTripp. I just think our team's record is a collaborative effort between the defense and the offense. SOME of the blame for the offense's inability to score points has to be laid at Brunell's feet. He is, after all, the quarterback.

10-23-2006, 06:03 PM	#12
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 50 Posts: 2,631	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! anyone want to explain to me how the 'efficiency' of consistently connecting on the 5yd completion on 3rd and 9, is better than potentially making a 50yd bomb? even an interception 50yds down the field would be better than a surefire 4th and 4. no chance of scoring on a punt, and its almost the same field position! __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

10-23-2006, 06:11 PM	#13
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 43 Posts: 1,324	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! Dog ate his playbook. __________________ No pressure, no diamonds.

10-23-2006, 07:12 PM	#15
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 49 Posts: 3,007	Re: It's not Brunell's fault! I think we're forgetting that we tend to abandon the run fairly quickly... i think i remember a stat during the first half where the pass-run ratio was like 14 to 8 at one point (I may be off a little bit). We've played two of the worst run defenses the past two weeks and yet, we're passing all the time. OK, Portis was stuffed his first 6 carries for like 1 yard- but even bad rush defenses can start a game on fire. You have to keep plugging away at it, and in the Skins' offense that means b/t the tackles instead of these wide tosses. Our O-line shines in run blocking and the coordinator just has to keep faith in the line until Portis starts getting those 4, 5, 6 yard clips. This also helps with the TOP. Abandoning the run early with our offense sets up for limited pass plays with the QB we have. I'm far from Brunell's biggest fan... in fact, I want to see Campbell in there just to spark something. But MB has shown the ability to throw the long ball this season when it's there. I'm also still a Saunders supporter... but I think his playcalling has been suspect the past few weeks, considering the rush defenses played.

It's not Brunell's fault!

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