Redskins vs. Dolphins predictions

[FinNasty]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Mentor Beck? Beck may or may not be a good NFL qb. That remains to be seen. But you had a guy who had one of the best seasons in NFL history just a few years ago. Why not coach him up, get him healthy and play Culpepper? You aleady know if you surround him with some weapons he is going to produce. That is a move that might come back and bite you guys right in the ass. Starting this Sunday.

ps. BTW... Your own players are starting to question the move casue Trent did not have his best preseason. Not good.

Green knows this offense like the back of his hand. Culpepper has no clue about this offense... so how is Pepper going to mentor Beck? I love Pep, one of my favorite players. He went to my college, UCF! However, what makes Pep awesome is his physical abilities. Mobility and a cannon. He isnt great at reading coverages.

Green is a 1 year player for us... if that. Beck may be brought in halfway through this season. The new staff didnt like Pep, post injury, and wanted to go in a different direction. And with Cameron's and Mueller's history with QBs... I am definatly willing to take their word on it...

[FinNasty]

Originally Posted by hooskins

And the influx of retards continues...

Also thanks to those Fins fans who are actually here to talk football, it seems that some of the Miami fan base is intelligent.

Thanks!

[Phinfan31]

LOL...man you redskins fans never change.

Do you really think you're going to win this game that easily? Some of you are realists...but the majority of you are homer sheep skins. You will NOT score any more than 2 TD's on our D. You will have to rely on FG's.

Here is why: Our DEF has only gotten BETTER. They actually have something to play for this year with a new coach and a huge sense of confidence on the offensive side of the ball - that has lacked since we had Ricky. We added Joey Porter to Zach Thomas (perennial pro bowler) and Crowder (100+ tackles in his 2nd year) which equals the top3 LB groups in the league. How about the defensive player of the year on the line? (Jason Taylor) ....A young, mean/nasty Matt Roth beside him who is finally starting and is better than the aging Kevin Carter was who has had an amazing preseason...Vonnie Holiday who will have his best year of his career this year...Tractor Keith Traylor who will not allow your RB's to get any more than 60 yards a piece - who is old but Paul Soliai will replace him very nicely when he is winded. Ok so basically your running game and suspect new O-Line will not rush on us...you think our secondary is where you'll win the game eh? Negative. There will be so much pressure on Campbell he will throw 2 INT's guarenteed. That or he will throw 1 and get sacked for a fumble, you pick...both likely. The fact of the matter is it will BE a low scoring game. Did I mention we have arguably the best defensive coordinator in the league? Santana Moss is your ONLY hope...he wont have time to get open though.

So about our offense...well your defense was..wait what last year? You talk as if it is top10 in the league which is such a joke. Your secondary is good, but Landry is no godsend, he will get smoked his first year in the NFL...you seriously think he can handle our WR's?? Chambers/Booker/Ginn Jr./Hagan...no chance. Talk shit about Chambers all you want - look him up...I think you'll find he exceeds Moss in every category. Now I know the popular belief is that our O-Line will be our downfall...not likely considering your D-Line blows. Your LB's are nothing special (you love to talk them up though dontcha?) I remember your rushing DEF last year...werent you 2nd behind Indy?? LOL...
We have a mastermind on the offensive side of the ball who will CONTROL THE CLOCK, who will keep OUR DEF FRESH...which means even if it IS a low scoring game you will LOSE. You have no chance against our phins this year, period. Talk about Trent Green all you want too...has any of your QB's in recent history put up 4 seasons of 4000+ yards and 20+ TD's?? Herm Edwards is a piece of crap and ruined their offense before Trent got hurt...Trent is back home with his offense and where he belongs...he will hurt you on sunday.

Cant wait to watch us come out with a bang to the season...were going to have a winning record going into the BYE...6-2. You honestly think you're going to be one of the losses?? LMAO...please. The Pats and Dallas might give us losses in the easy half of our schedule but not the push over sheepskins. Where did you draft this year? #6?? And we are an UPSET if we win??? LOL

Some things never change. Remember 72/73?


I am open to intellectual debate now...but that is in response to the redskins posts on finheaven.com we have had enough of your nonsense.

[FinNasty]

Whats up? Fin fan here... not to worry though, I come in peace. I have talked with a few of you in another thread... as I needed 10 posts to make a thread so I could introduce myself. I come from FinHeaven.com, so feel free to come and join us! Just dont troll, we have a few of your trolls already on our board... lol

Anyway, I think this is going to be a close, low scoring game. I dont think your offense will be able to do much against our defense... and I dont think our offense will be able to do much against your defense. It is going to be a battle.


Fins Breakdown:

We have one of the best front 7s in the league. We were the 4th ranked defense last year, and upgraded from Donnie Sparagan to Joey Porter. Your offensive line is going to be up for a big challenge, as we create all kinds of pressure, with Taylor and Porter on the outsides, and Roth and Holiday rushing from the line. Also, we are very stout against the run. It will be a rough day for Portis and Betts (I got Betts on my FF team! I'm hoping for good things from him! Just not this Sunday lol ).

Now, our secondary. Our secondary isnt the greatest. They arnt bad, but they arnt Pro Bowlers either. However, they were ranked 5th in the NFL last year. The reason why they do so good, w/o a ton of talent is the pressure we get on QBs. Our blitz packages, along with the pass rushers we have make it extremely difficult for QBs to find the open WRs and exploit them.


Our offense is a big "?". We have talent at some of the skill positions, and Ronnie Brown is poised for a big season... but it all depends on our oline. I can all but guarentee you that our oline will struggle. We have shifted the whole thing around, and they arnt gelled yet. I'm hoping Trent Green makes it out alive.




The key to the game for the Skins: Protect Campbell. It is going to be EXTREMELY tough for you to keep this guy off his back. However, if you can protect him, and give him time... you may be able to get a deep pass to Moss. You dont beat us by running on us... you do it by passing on us. Its just hard to get the passes off.


I'm projecting a low 10-13 score... and I'll give the 13 to my Fins... shocked? lol

Good luck this season!! Just not this Sunday...

[dmek25]

if beck is so good, why did he last so long in the draft? im not sold on him, just yet. and welcome to the board

[FinNasty]

Originally Posted by dmek25

if beck is so good, why did he last so long in the draft? im not sold on him, just yet. and welcome to the board

He didnt last that long at all. High 2nd round? He dropped in the draft a little because of his age. He is 25 already...

[dmek25]

and phinfan, porter upgrades your defense? everyone is a year older, and porter is injured. might help later in the season, but not now. the skins offense is alot farther along then miami. skins 24- dolphins- 10

[Phinfan31]

Originally Posted by dmek25

if beck is so good, why did he last so long in the draft? im not sold on him, just yet. and welcome to the board

He'd be the #4 QB taken? The only reason he was #4 was because Andy Reid has gay love for Kolb and admitted he had it ever since watching his college highlights years ago.

[FinNasty]

Originally Posted by dmek25

and phinfan, porter upgrades your defense? everyone is a year older, and porter is injured. might help later in the season, but not now. the skins offense is alot farther along then miami. skins 24- dolphins- 10

Your offense is further along than ours... but our defense is a lot better than yours... it equals out.

Its going to be a close low scoring game that can go either way... unless special teams or defenses rack up some TDs...

Any other expectation is unrealistic...

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Phinfan31

LOL...man you redskins fans never change.

Do you really think you're going to win this game that easily? Some of you are realists...but the majority of you are homer sheep skins. You will NOT score any more than 2 TD's on our D. You will have to rely on FG's.

Here is why: Our DEF has only gotten BETTER. They actually have something to play for this year with a new coach and a huge sense of confidence on the offensive side of the ball - that has lacked since we had Ricky. We added Joey Porter to Zach Thomas (perennial pro bowler) and Crowder (100+ tackles in his 2nd year) which equals the top3 LB groups in the league. How about the defensive player of the year on the line? (Jason Taylor) ....A young, mean/nasty Matt Roth beside him who is finally starting and is better than the aging Kevin Carter was who has had an amazing preseason...Vonnie Holiday who will have his best year of his career this year...Tractor Keith Traylor who will not allow your RB's to get any more than 60 yards a piece - who is old but Paul Soliai will replace him very nicely when he is winded. Ok so basically your running game and suspect new O-Line will not rush on us...you think our secondary is where you'll win the game eh? Negative. There will be so much pressure on Campbell he will throw 2 INT's guarenteed. That or he will throw 1 and get sacked for a fumble, you pick...both likely. The fact of the matter is it will BE a low scoring game. Did I mention we have arguably the best defensive coordinator in the league? Santana Moss is your ONLY hope...he wont have time to get open though.

So about our offense...well your defense was..wait what last year? You talk as if it is top10 in the league which is such a joke. Your secondary is good, but Landry is no godsend, he will get smoked his first year in the NFL...you seriously think he can handle our WR's?? Chambers/Booker/Ginn Jr./Hagan...no chance. Talk shit about Chambers all you want - look him up...I think you'll find he exceeds Moss in every category. Now I know the popular belief is that our O-Line will be our downfall...not likely considering your D-Line blows. Your LB's are nothing special (you love to talk them up though dontcha?) I remember your rushing DEF last year...werent you 2nd behind Indy?? LOL...
We have a mastermind on the offensive side of the ball who will CONTROL THE CLOCK, who will keep OUR DEF FRESH...which means even if it IS a low scoring game you will LOSE. You have no chance against our phins this year, period. Talk about Trent Green all you want too...has any of your QB's in recent history put up 4 seasons of 4000+ yards and 20+ TD's?? Herm Edwards is a piece of crap and ruined their offense before Trent got hurt...Trent is back home with his offense and where he belongs...he will hurt you on sunday.

Cant wait to watch us come out with a bang to the season...were going to have a winning record going into the BYE...6-2. You honestly think you're going to be one of the losses?? LMAO...please. The Pats and Dallas might give us losses in the easy half of our schedule but not the push over sheepskins. Where did you draft this year? #6?? And we are an UPSET if we win??? LOL

Some things never change. Remember 72/73?


I am open to intellectual debate now...but that is in response to the redskins posts on finheaven.com we have had enough of your nonsense.

Chris Chambers: worst receiver in the NFL last season. Caught an impressive 39% of the passes thrown at him.

Now, the Skins struggled mightily against No. 2 receivers last year, but that was against the entire league. They will be better this year. Not really worried about a 100 yard game from Marty Booker.

[FinNasty]

Originally Posted by dmek25

and phinfan, porter upgrades your defense? everyone is a year older, and porter is injured. might help later in the season, but not now. the skins offense is alot farther along then miami. skins 24- dolphins- 10

He absolutly upgrades our defense. Porter might not be 100% by Sunday, but an 80% Porter is a HUGE upgrade over Donnie Sparagan (who has had a GRAND TOTAL of 1.5 career sacks), no matter how you want to break it down.

[hypocritex]

Originally Posted by dmek25

if beck is so good, why did he last so long in the draft? im not sold on him, just yet. and welcome to the board

The knock on him was his age and the fact he played at BYU in a shotgun happy
offense. But I have to be honest with you. And this is unbiased. I thought Beck was the best QB in the draft before we drafted him. You can imagine my excitement when we did draft him. He is smart. Accurate. Strong arm. Poised. Good pocket presence.And MAN is he tough. He is a little short though... at 6'2. But he is not the only 6'2 QB in the league. He will have a few passes batted down until he learns to find those passing lanes. But I firmly believe that Beck is the future of Miami. And he would have been the same for any team that drafted him. He has all the intangibles that you look for. I hope he is starting next year. The most important thing I saw about Beck when watching game footage on him during the offseason was that the guy just simply knows how to win games. He is one of those clutch QB's.

[dall-assblows]

im predicting a win.

dont know how many points the redskins will have but the 'phins will only have 3 or 6. No TD's only FG.

[Big Dave]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Chris Chambers: worst receiver in the NFL last season. Caught an impressive 39% of the passes thrown at him.

Now, the Skins struggled mightily against No. 2 receivers last year, but that was against the entire league. They will be better this year. Not really worried about a 100 yard game from Marty Booker.

I will say that Chambers misses more passes than he should, but you should know that stats alone don't tell the full story. He was deep many times last year and Harrington overthrew him constantly. You don't go from making the Pro Bowl to the "worst" without good reason.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Phinfan31

LOL...man you redskins fans never change.

Do you really think you're going to win this game that easily? Some of you are realists...but the majority of you are homer sheep skins. You will NOT score any more than 2 TD's on our D. You will have to rely on FG's.

Here is why: Our DEF has only gotten BETTER. They actually have something to play for this year with a new coach and a huge sense of confidence on the offensive side of the ball - that has lacked since we had Ricky. We added Joey Porter to Zach Thomas (perennial pro bowler) and Crowder (100+ tackles in his 2nd year) which equals the top3 LB groups in the league. How about the defensive player of the year on the line? (Jason Taylor) ....A young, mean/nasty Matt Roth beside him who is finally starting and is better than the aging Kevin Carter was who has had an amazing preseason...Vonnie Holiday who will have his best year of his career this year...Tractor Keith Traylor who will not allow your RB's to get any more than 60 yards a piece - who is old but Paul Soliai will replace him very nicely when he is winded. Ok so basically your running game and suspect new O-Line will not rush on us...you think our secondary is where you'll win the game eh? Negative. There will be so much pressure on Campbell he will throw 2 INT's guarenteed. That or he will throw 1 and get sacked for a fumble, you pick...both likely. The fact of the matter is it will BE a low scoring game. Did I mention we have arguably the best defensive coordinator in the league? Santana Moss is your ONLY hope...he wont have time to get open though.

So about our offense...well your defense was..wait what last year? You talk as if it is top10 in the league which is such a joke. Your secondary is good, but Landry is no godsend, he will get smoked his first year in the NFL...you seriously think he can handle our WR's?? Chambers/Booker/Ginn Jr./Hagan...no chance. Talk shit about Chambers all you want - look him up...I think you'll find he exceeds Moss in every category. Now I know the popular belief is that our O-Line will be our downfall...not likely considering your D-Line blows. Your LB's are nothing special (you love to talk them up though dontcha?) I remember your rushing DEF last year...werent you 2nd behind Indy?? LOL...
We have a mastermind on the offensive side of the ball who will CONTROL THE CLOCK, who will keep OUR DEF FRESH...which means even if it IS a low scoring game you will LOSE. You have no chance against our phins this year, period. Talk about Trent Green all you want too...has any of your QB's in recent history put up 4 seasons of 4000+ yards and 20+ TD's?? Herm Edwards is a piece of crap and ruined their offense before Trent got hurt...Trent is back home with his offense and where he belongs...he will hurt you on sunday.

Cant wait to watch us come out with a bang to the season...were going to have a winning record going into the BYE...6-2. You honestly think you're going to be one of the losses?? LMAO...please. The Pats and Dallas might give us losses in the easy half of our schedule but not the push over sheepskins. Where did you draft this year? #6?? And we are an UPSET if we win??? LOL

Some things never change. Remember 72/73?


I am open to intellectual debate now...but that is in response to the redskins posts on finheaven.com we have had enough of your nonsense.

First of all you know fans are stupid in general, so don't generalize about an entire fan base. You are a hypocrite for claiming to be this intellectual fan, etc, but if you are rational and have some common sense you would know people are dumb in general and they dont know what they are saying. So first fix that up with your attitude.

Now I will proceed to show how your argument is flawed in several ways.
First of all simply playing for a new coach and that new feeling of hope is not going to translate into a win. A new coach brings in a new system that will take longer to pick up and execute. The first game the Fins are going to be a bit rusty because they are still figuring out exactly what to do.

I personally feel the whole new coach motivate thing is overrated. Skins for example have changed many coaches and one from college too. Yeah it was great hype and it felt good but that doesnt mean it helped us win. You have to hope the fit works well with your players, and in the end talent is important. The coach then takes the talent and works with it to maximize potential.

Ok next point, you say that we have a bad oline? Have you actually been paying attention to anything that is occurring with your oline. How Cam has been changing it up almost weekly? I think Trent and your oline has some serious serious questions. Yeah our's isn't perfect, but you are forgetting that within the last 2-3 years Skins have almost the same core olinemen that have put us in the top 10 olines(ask any sportswriter). Oline isnt as big of an issue as you make it seem for us.

You claim your coach is a mastermind, but he is completely unproven in the NFL. Remember we had the good ole head bawl coach who was suppose to be amazing and he did jack shit. That is a big if and you cannot say he is a mastermind. And speaking of mastermind coaches, Gibbs is a hall of fame coach, and regardless of what you think about him currently anyone can agree he is an expert at TOP games. He burns the clock like crazy, and if it comes down to that kinda game I think we have the edge.

WRs: We easily win this match. Chambers most overrated WR currently. He has terrible production, I hope he has a good year, but recently nothing. Booker and Ginn jR vs. Randle-El and Lloyd? Are you serious. Also Santana Moss is leagues better than Chambers and we have a huge TE threat in Cooley, arguably one of the top 5 TE's based on production.

Breakdown:
Dline: Edge MIA
LBs: Edge MIA(even this is close in my opinion, but whatever)
Safties:Edge WAS
Corners: Edge MIA(I will give it to you anyways)
Oline: Edge WAS
TEs:Edge WAS
RBs:Edge WAS
QB: Edge MIA(you will get the vet adv)
Coach: Edge WAS
Home field: Edge WAS

Seriously man, what are you thinking. I dont think its gonna be a blowout, I think it will be very close. I think we have the edge in coaching and home field and in the end that will matter. You guys just have too many if's.