Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies

djnemo65 · 01-22-2008, 10:00 PM

I've abstained from commenting on this up until now but I can't see how this makes any sense, since the players are so solidly in GW's corner. So much of the discontent in the locker room over the Snyder era has come from management's tendency to pay top dollar for outside guns while ignoring those within the organization - it seems that this is now being extended to the coaches too.

I think the Chargers this year proved that a talented team can win for anybody but I am still scratching my head here.

I just fear that this comes down to Williams wanting to fundamentally alter the front office structure and Fassel contrarily being willing to play ball with the current set up. If Williams pushed too much for change in those four interviews I could see Daniel and Vincent talking themselves into just about anybody.

Schneed10 · 01-22-2008, 10:06 PM

If we end up with Jim Fassel as HC and Rex Ryan as our defensive coordinator, then I'll feel pretty good about our coaching staff for the long term. Fassel is a good QB guy, and Ryan is one of the better defensive minds out there.

Of course, I'd feel good about our staff for the long term if it were Gregg Williams, Jerry Gray as DC, and Al Saunders as OC. In addition to the long term, it would feel pretty good for next season.

Fassel is a solid coach in my opinion. Rex Ryan is a great DC. But I'll have a hard time expecting more than 8-8 in this upcoming transition year.

SmootSmack · 01-22-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

If we end up with Jim Fassel as HC and Rex Ryan as our defensive coordinator, then I'll feel pretty good about our coaching staff for the long term. Fassel is a good QB guy, and Ryan is one of the better defensive minds out there.

Of course, I'd feel good about our staff for the long term if it were Gregg Williams, Jerry Gray as DC, and Al Saunders as OC. In addition to the long term, it would feel pretty good for next season.

Fassel is a solid coach in my opinion. Rex Ryan is a great DC. But I'll have a hard time expecting more than 8-8 in this upcoming transition year.

Ryan and Williams both come from the Buddy Ryan tree (one a bit more closely than the other) so the defensive philosophy may not change much, if at all.

redwagonskins · 01-22-2008, 10:10 PM

I'm hoping that this is just a lot of BS. How is this a good idea? And is Rex Ryan an upgrade? I could coach Lewis, McAlister, Landry and Reed and end up with a top ten D. It doesn't make sense. Hopefully, the scotch wears off on Danny tonight and he comes to his senses.

wilsowilso · 01-22-2008, 10:19 PM

That latest JLC blog makes it pretty clear that Williams is probably out and in fact Snyder is going to overhaul the whole operation. I don't like it, but maybe it's because I think Williams is getting the shaft. If it's true that Williams and Cerrato don't get along then obviously Williams was basically outta here from the beginning.

T.O.Killa · 01-22-2008, 10:29 PM

You know, if Ryan comes here and does well, he will be a head coach somewhere else next season. Just like Marvin Lewis. I cant believe Snyder would do this to Williams. He gave up several chances to be a head coach for him. We will never have continuity.

SBXVII · 01-22-2008, 10:47 PM

I have been dwelling on another thought also....what if Snyder was not happy about the offense last year and told Gibbs he would give Saunders one more year to get it scoring and it didn't. What if partial reasoning for Gibbs leaving is because Snyder said it's time for Saunders to be let go and try something else and Gibbs said I'm outa here. I'm sure his grandchild was more the reason but what if he was told he was going to have to let Saunders or Williams go because Snyder was not impressed with how they performed.

Everyone brings up how the Skins won the last 5 games and how they were starting to come together. I'm comfused but I thought that happened last year also didn't it? They won a few last games and everyone was happy that we would carry it over to this year and be a scoring power house. I'll admit we broke 21 points several times but I didn't see the scoring power house Saunders is associated with in KC. Maybe next year will be different. Maybe not. Maybe Snyder in his "impatiantness" is wanting more. I am by no means saying Fassell is the answer. Things may turn out fabulous next year and everyone will be saying "I didn't see that coming."

Perhaps Fassell is offering his services on the cheap because no one is calling on him and he asking Snyder for a favor. Who knows. Fassell never impressed me but maybe with the right OC and DC he will shine. I really don't have a problem with Rex. He had the defense running well (except for the Miami game). Maybe Snyder is thinking instead of building from the back to the front on defense, it's time to build from the front to back. Maybe Fassells phylosophy on Offense is not much different then Saunders and we keep AS for another year. Who know.

This is exactly why I try to have two favorite teams. I have always liked Tampa and have enjoyed the games we play with them (although when we lose I am down.lol) I started adopting NE a few years ago because I thought highly of the coach and thought he was a classy guy. Good team with a good QB. however since they totally humiliated us and did not have the decency to just let it be close, screw NE. I hoped and hoped they would make it to the SB only to be let down hard. Go Giants!

firstdown · 01-23-2008, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I have been dwelling on another thought also....what if Snyder was not happy about the offense last year and told Gibbs he would give Saunders one more year to get it scoring and it didn't. What if partial reasoning for Gibbs leaving is because Snyder said it's time for Saunders to be let go and try something else and Gibbs said I'm outa here. I'm sure his grandchild was more the reason but what if he was told he was going to have to let Saunders or Williams go because Snyder was not impressed with how they performed.

Everyone brings up how the Skins won the last 5 games and how they were starting to come together. I'm comfused but I thought that happened last year also didn't it? They won a few last games and everyone was happy that we would carry it over to this year and be a scoring power house. I'll admit we broke 21 points several times but I didn't see the scoring power house Saunders is associated with in KC. Maybe next year will be different. Maybe not. Maybe Snyder in his "impatiantness" is wanting more. I am by no means saying Fassell is the answer. Things may turn out fabulous next year and everyone will be saying "I didn't see that coming."

Perhaps Fassell is offering his services on the cheap because no one is calling on him and he asking Snyder for a favor. Who knows. Fassell never impressed me but maybe with the right OC and DC he will shine. I really don't have a problem with Rex. He had the defense running well (except for the Miami game). Maybe Snyder is thinking instead of building from the back to the front on defense, it's time to build from the front to back. Maybe Fassells phylosophy on Offense is not much different then Saunders and we keep AS for another year. Who know.

This is exactly why I try to have two favorite teams. I have always liked Tampa and have enjoyed the games we play with them (although when we lose I am down.lol) I started adopting NE a few years ago because I thought highly of the coach and thought he was a classy guy. Good team with a good QB. however since they totally humiliated us and did not have the decency to just let it be close, screw NE. I hoped and hoped they would make it to the SB only to be let down hard. Go Giants!

Sounds like you change around on teams quite often.

skinsfan69 · 01-22-2008, 11:26 PM

Fassel is qualified as a HC and is not a bad choice. HOWEVER what really bothered me about him was his last year in NY he totally lost the team. They just quit on the guy.

SmootSmack · 01-22-2008, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Fassel is qualified as a HC and is not a bad choice. HOWEVER what really bothered me about him was his last year in NY he totally lost the team. They just quit on the guy.

Yeah I hope due diligence was done on why exactly that happened

skinsfan69 · 01-22-2008, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Yeah I hope due diligence was done on why exactly that happened

This is why Snyder just shouldn't hire the guy. Who gives a damn if he gets alongs with everybody. Are we trying to get along and be buddy buddy, or are we trying to win games? To me, Fassel just seems like a good OC. There are just certain guys that I can tell are leader of men. Fassel is not one of them.

GMScud · 01-22-2008, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

This is why Snyder just shouldn't hire the guy. Who gives a damn if he gets alongs with everybody. Are we trying to get along and be buddy buddy, or are we trying to win games? To me, Fassel just seems like a good OC. There are just certain guys that I can tell are leader of men. Fassel is not one of them.

Look, the guy hasn't done anything notable in 4 seasons. Can't deny that. But he did win a conference championship and was twice named coach of the year (I think I've repeated that stat 3 times now). Obviously he understands what it takes to be successful as a HC in this league. But can he still be that guy? I'm not so sure, and neither are a lot of "league sources."

djnemo65 · 01-23-2008, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Fassel is qualified as a HC and is not a bad choice. HOWEVER what really bothered me about him was his last year in NY he totally lost the team. They just quit on the guy.

What about what went down in Buffalo that same season? The Bills quit on GW too.

Which is why I think it is significant that the players are so solidly behind him this time around. Clearly he has refined his message.

RedskinPete · 01-23-2008, 12:43 AM

Is Fassel the best Dan can get? We have better if not the same coaches on staff now. If this goes down I really think I am going to be sick. Dan please sell this team!!!!! With Gibbs the last 4 years we had a chance but with Fassel I think it is really a bad way to go. I am sick of starting all over with new O and D's. What will this do to Campbell? Dan is just killing me taking a 56 year old guy out of coaching and leting him have the keys to the kingdom! Sell Dan before you kill us all!!!!!!

SmootSmack · 01-23-2008, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by RedskinPete

Is Fassel the best Dan can get? We have better if not the same coaches on staff now. If this goes down I really think I am going to be sick. Dan please sell this team!!!!! With Gibbs the last 4 years we had a chance but with Fassel I think it is really a bad way to go. I am sick of starting all over with new O and D's. What will this do to Campbell? Dan is just killing me taking a 56 year old guy out of coaching and leting him have the keys to the kingdom! Sell Dan be for you kill us all!!!!!!

Well it appears there will be a clear delineation between the front office and coach with Vinny Cerrato's promotion and clearly defined role. Exactly what Redskins fans have been bitching about for years, to have a separation of "church and state."

What will it do for Campbell? Well considering what Fassel has done with past QBs and how Campbell has done in an offense similar to Fassel's it might actually benefit him (and Portis, and Moss, and El)

But hey, why be rational about it? No, that wouldn't make any sense. No it's a lot better to flip out and write ifrational, idiotic posts.

01-22-2008, 10:00 PM	#1
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies I've abstained from commenting on this up until now but I can't see how this makes any sense, since the players are so solidly in GW's corner. So much of the discontent in the locker room over the Snyder era has come from management's tendency to pay top dollar for outside guns while ignoring those within the organization - it seems that this is now being extended to the coaches too. I think the Chargers this year proved that a talented team can win for anybody but I am still scratching my head here. I just fear that this comes down to Williams wanting to fundamentally alter the front office structure and Fassel contrarily being willing to play ball with the current set up. If Williams pushed too much for change in those four interviews I could see Daniel and Vincent talking themselves into just about anybody.

01-22-2008, 10:06 PM	#2
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies If we end up with Jim Fassel as HC and Rex Ryan as our defensive coordinator, then I'll feel pretty good about our coaching staff for the long term. Fassel is a good QB guy, and Ryan is one of the better defensive minds out there. Of course, I'd feel good about our staff for the long term if it were Gregg Williams, Jerry Gray as DC, and Al Saunders as OC. In addition to the long term, it would feel pretty good for next season. Fassel is a solid coach in my opinion. Rex Ryan is a great DC. But I'll have a hard time expecting more than 8-8 in this upcoming transition year. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

01-22-2008, 10:10 PM	#4
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies I'm hoping that this is just a lot of BS. How is this a good idea? And is Rex Ryan an upgrade? I could coach Lewis, McAlister, Landry and Reed and end up with a top ten D. It doesn't make sense. Hopefully, the scotch wears off on Danny tonight and he comes to his senses.

01-22-2008, 10:19 PM	#5
wilsowilso Registered User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Los Angeles Age: 52 Posts: 2,841	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies That latest JLC blog makes it pretty clear that Williams is probably out and in fact Snyder is going to overhaul the whole operation. I don't like it, but maybe it's because I think Williams is getting the shaft. If it's true that Williams and Cerrato don't get along then obviously Williams was basically outta here from the beginning.

01-22-2008, 10:29 PM	#6
T.O.Killa The Starter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Berlin, MD Posts: 2,061	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies You know, if Ryan comes here and does well, he will be a head coach somewhere else next season. Just like Marvin Lewis. I cant believe Snyder would do this to Williams. He gave up several chances to be a head coach for him. We will never have continuity.

01-22-2008, 10:47 PM	#7
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies I have been dwelling on another thought also....what if Snyder was not happy about the offense last year and told Gibbs he would give Saunders one more year to get it scoring and it didn't. What if partial reasoning for Gibbs leaving is because Snyder said it's time for Saunders to be let go and try something else and Gibbs said I'm outa here. I'm sure his grandchild was more the reason but what if he was told he was going to have to let Saunders or Williams go because Snyder was not impressed with how they performed. Everyone brings up how the Skins won the last 5 games and how they were starting to come together. I'm comfused but I thought that happened last year also didn't it? They won a few last games and everyone was happy that we would carry it over to this year and be a scoring power house. I'll admit we broke 21 points several times but I didn't see the scoring power house Saunders is associated with in KC. Maybe next year will be different. Maybe not. Maybe Snyder in his "impatiantness" is wanting more. I am by no means saying Fassell is the answer. Things may turn out fabulous next year and everyone will be saying "I didn't see that coming." Perhaps Fassell is offering his services on the cheap because no one is calling on him and he asking Snyder for a favor. Who knows. Fassell never impressed me but maybe with the right OC and DC he will shine. I really don't have a problem with Rex. He had the defense running well (except for the Miami game). Maybe Snyder is thinking instead of building from the back to the front on defense, it's time to build from the front to back. Maybe Fassells phylosophy on Offense is not much different then Saunders and we keep AS for another year. Who know. This is exactly why I try to have two favorite teams. I have always liked Tampa and have enjoyed the games we play with them (although when we lose I am down.lol) I started adopting NE a few years ago because I thought highly of the coach and thought he was a classy guy. Good team with a good QB. however since they totally humiliated us and did not have the decency to just let it be close, screw NE. I hoped and hoped they would make it to the SB only to be let down hard. Go Giants!

01-22-2008, 11:26 PM	#9
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,591	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies Fassel is qualified as a HC and is not a bad choice. HOWEVER what really bothered me about him was his last year in NY he totally lost the team. They just quit on the guy.

01-23-2008, 12:43 AM	#14
RedskinPete The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Camino,Ca Posts: 1,174	Re: Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies Is Fassel the best Dan can get? We have better if not the same coaches on staff now. If this goes down I really think I am going to be sick. Dan please sell this team!!!!! With Gibbs the last 4 years we had a chance but with Fassel I think it is really a bad way to go. I am sick of starting all over with new O and D's. What will this do to Campbell? Dan is just killing me taking a 56 year old guy out of coaching and leting him have the keys to the kingdom! Sell Dan before you kill us all!!!!!!

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