(updated title): Make Your Day One Redskins Draft Selections (Rounds 1-2)

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

Not to sound cheesy, but I may be forever impacted by my experiences in high school when we had a great set of skill players but the lamest, weakest line you can imagine. Our skill players were all brutalized over the season because they didn't have those lines protecting them.

I'm not saying the Redskins don't have a solid core there to start with, I'm just saying you build from the line out - and we have some age concerns across both lines.

I guess your right, my team had great skill players (Charlie Whitehurst at QB and Sugar Ray Lenord's son at WR) but where the team really stood out was on the DL. We had three or four excellent D-Lineman and went to the state semi-finals one year. In fact they were so good that we never rushed more then 3 guys. In fact 4 guys rushing the passer was considered a blitz for our team. One guy even got a scholarship to Florida State before he was declared academically ineligable.

We currently have a great run stopping D and we should find a good D-lineman in the draft, but I think we really need to start rebuilding the O-Line. Personally I want an O-Line that can create running lanes for virtually anybody.

Either way Jim Zorn mentioned on Total Access that we're looking for the following NFL Video Galleries.

- Help at Corner
- A big WR to compliment Moss and ARE
- Help on the DL
- Help on the OL
- And he alluded to the possibility of bringing in a safety.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I guess your right, my team had great skill players (Charlie Whitehurst at QB and Sugar Ray Lenord's son at WR) but where the team really stood out was on the DL. We had three or four excellent D-Lineman and went to the state semi-finals one year. In fact they were so good that we never rushed more then 3 guys. In fact 4 guys rushing the passer was considered a blitz for our team. One guy even got a scholarship to Florida State before he was declared academically ineligable.

We currently have a great run stopping D and we should find a good D-lineman in the draft, but I think we really need to start rebuilding the O-Line. Personally I want an O-Line that can create running lanes for virtually anybody.

Either way Jim Zorn mentioned on Total Access that we're looking for the following NFL Video Galleries.

- Help at Corner
- A big WR to compliment Moss and ARE
- Help on the DL
- Help on the OL
- And he alluded to the possibility of bringing in a safety.

So I'm guessing Mix isn't going to be that guy?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

I guess your right, my team had great skill players (Charlie Whitehurst at QB and Sugar Ray Lenord's son at WR) but where the team really stood out was on the DL. We had three or four excellent D-Lineman and went to the state semi-finals one year. In fact they were so good that we never rushed more then 3 guys. In fact 4 guys rushing the passer was considered a blitz for our team. One guy even got a scholarship to Florida State before he was declared academically ineligable.

We currently have a great run stopping D and we should find a good D-lineman in the draft, but I think we really need to start rebuilding the O-Line. Personally I want an O-Line that can create running lanes for virtually anybody.

Either way Jim Zorn mentioned on Total Access that we're looking for the following NFL Video Galleries.

- Help at Corner
- A big WR to compliment Moss and ARE
- Help on the DL
- Help on the OL
- And he alluded to the possibility of bringing in a safety.

Wait a minute. I went to high school with Sugar Ray Leonard's son. Which son are you talking about?

Anyhow, as for Nicks I was just saying that if they go OT, then I think Carl Nick is someone they should consider. But his stock is rising so he probably won't be around when they draft in round 2 (and he's not, in my opinion, worth the #21 pick). If they go OG, I like Chilo Rachal.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wait a minute. I went to high school with Sugar Ray Leonard's son. Which son are you talking about?

Anyhow, as for Nicks I was just saying that if they go OT, then I think Carl Nick is someone they should consider. But his stock is rising so he probably won't be around when they draft in round 2 (and he's not, in my opinion, worth the #21 pick). If they go OG, I like Chilo Rachal.

I heard he had a lot of kids, but if you must know, it was Jarell(Sp?).

As far as Nicks goes, I see a lot of mock drafts have him going to the Falcons in the second round. If it's between getting a solid DL in the first round with a great OL prospect in the second then I'm all for it. However I think that the OL that can make a big impact right away will be gone by the time we pick in the second round. Thats why I'm lobbying for Albert to go in the first.

The thing that suprised me though with Nicks, was his body comp. At 345 lbs I expected him to look doughy, but looking at the guy he looks relatively lean, especially for a guy that size.

As far as Chilo goes, well for some reason I keep on thinking that OL that come out of USC are more pass blockers, though I wouldn't mind having Ryan Kalil. I'll have to take a closer look at him.

[SmootSmack]

Oh ok, I went to HS with Ray Jr.

[SkinsFanSince91]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Why do you guys always neglect the O-line....sad face? . Our offense would have been a whole lot better if we had depth along the O-line say someone like, oh I don't know, say Brandon Albert. I'm telling you, this guy is going to be a beast. I definately think he's going to be a pro-bowler at Guard and will probably switch to Tackle one day. The draft is deep at D-Line so we can afford to wait a round or two. And let me remind you that both of our starting tackles are in their 30's.

I don't know about you but I don't want to become the Chiefs, and the main reason our offense has been in the top half of the league the past few years is good O-line play.

While all of these things are true regarding the O-Line, it is more practical to address the more exigent needs of the team. I agree that we need to add O-line depth, but not that early.

I think that as a forum we can agree that we "needs" to address certain defensive issues at DLine and CB. If not that,, WR is a secondary option for the first. With the current projections(and the good combines of defensive skill players) we could easily have a James Hardy or Limas Sweed fall to us at #21. I would not like that, but if JIm Zorn needs one of those guys to help his experiment happen, then Im all for it.

However right now I'm starting to shy away from Devin Thomas. From what I've heard a lot of his yards were on screen plays and his route running could still use a lot of work. For me I would take him in the third round if he was there, but I'm starting to think that someone is going to take him in the first round.

Those things can be coached, but his abilities can not. I still don't think scouts have enough on him to be a 1st round draft pick, but I dont thin khe will fall to us in the 2nd either.

I'm also scared of all the recent support for Cromartie. I think that the support for him is based on the performance of his cousin as well as his 40 time. I'd rather use the combine to make sure they're working hard, and don't have character issues. Remember Denver's pass defense struggled with Bly and Bailey at corner. Corner play doesn't mean what it use to IMO.

If its a coincidence that two guys named "Moss" in the NFL are beasts and not related, then imagine what havoc the Cromartie's will wreak on the NFL.

DRC is a special athlete at the CB position, and since he went to a small school so he is naturally being slept on. If he is this good now and can play against top ranked seniors and can out-perform them at the combine, then imagine how he could develop at the next level.

Today I'm still looking for Albert to get drafted by us in the first round and I'm hoping to grab Dre Moore in the second. After which I would like to see us draft the best DE or DB. Of course if Jordy Nelson was there in the third round I wouldn't object.

If anyone drafts your boy Albert in the first round they are either needy, desperate, or reaching. He will more than likely be a mid 2nd round pick.

[Dirtbag59]

[quote=SkinsFanSince91;426922]

If anyone drafts your boy Albert in the first round they are either needy, desperate, or reaching. He will more than likely be a mid 2nd round pick.

There is nothing despearte about drafting my BOY in the first round(sorry I like saying that PTI style). For the sake of putting my feelings aside Albert is one of the 10 best players according to Mayock and the 20th best according to Kiper. Most mock drafts also have him going in the late first where the latest he goes in some mock drafts is early in the second. On top of that his grade on ESPN shot up 9 points in the last week, which currently gives him a scout grade of 90. in their scouting report they say:

"He could possibly move to ROT in the NFL but we think he fits best inside at guard, where he should quickly develop into an upper-echelon starter."

However I have my own reasons for wanting him outside of possibly being a future tackle. See Joe Gibb's employed a power running game, and a while ago I was surprised to see that Joe Gibbs best backs YPC usually went from 3.8 to 4.0 ypc. Earnest Byner had 3.9 YPC during the last Super Bowl year. Riggins averaged 3.6 YPC back in 1983. Last year Portis average 3.9.

Zorn on the other hand I see calling more outside runs, and thats where Albert comes in. Now from what I've seen and heard Albert has enough power to play smash mouth football, but the special thing about him is his quickness. The guy has the ability to get to the second level and hit guys in space. On top of that he's as good of a pass blocking Guard as your going to find this year so Jason Campbell will be able to sleep well at night.

Albert also has the ability to pull which is great because teams knew when Thomas was healthy that most of the pulling and trap plays were going to involve him. With Albert we'll have more room to run traps and sweeps to either side since Albert has proven more then capable in terms of being a pulling Guard.

Keep in mind I'm not Albert or bust, I think theres a lot of guys that we can draft that will become quality starters. However the best player available at 21 in my opinion is Albert and granted you've read this far you can see that I have my reasons. I realize he's not the sexiest pick, and I know a guy with 4.28 speed or a guy with 1,200+ recieving yards looks better then drafting a guard, but I still believe in this guy. Trust me whoever gets him will be happy they did.

"If its a coincidence that two guys named "Moss" in the NFL are beasts and not related, then imagine what havoc the Cromartie's will wreak on the NFL."

Note: Funny thing about Rogers-Cromartie is that until a year or two ago, he didn't know that he and Antonio were second cousins. To this day I wonder how long he's been going by the name Rogers-Cromartie. I'll admit I like him but obviously not as much as Albert.

[ibleedredskins]

if i had to get a defensive play i would say pick calias campbell, but if WR is what you go for in the first round i would love to get James Hardy from Indiana Univerisity. with his 6'7 height and his 4.5-4.6 speed he would be great to have for the second receiver, since Zorn wants to use Randel El as a slot receiver. so Hardy is my pick

[That Guy]

albert isn't nearly a value in the 1st, and carl nicks may be gone before the 21st pick (as the 3rd OT drafted).

mix isn't going to help us get anywhere anytime soon, and i hate the excuse that harvey is a bad fit because carter doesn't weigh 290. guess what? either you can play or you can't. gholston is lighter, yet he can do 37 reps, and it's not like we'd be the 1st or 8th or 52nd attempt at using two 270ish DEs and being successful. harvey is just a safer pick than 290lbs campbell who people overhyped because of his size.

if you don't like harvey, try merling. campbell doesn't win in workouts, production, or highlight reels compared to either... that's no guarantee, but it's a pretty good hedge.

dre moore may be available in the 3rd. in the 2nd, laws would be a better pick if available. nonstop motor and good skills.

if DRC is there at our pick, it'd be stupid not to take him. he's shown he's a playmaker, and he's a 6'2" CB that runs 4.33 (the other cromartie ran 4.47)... that's as close as you'll get to TO or moss at the CB position.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by ibleedredskins

if i had to get a defensive play i would say pick calias campbell, but if WR is what you go for in the first round i would love to get James Hardy from Indiana Univerisity. with his 6'7 height and his 4.5-4.6 speed he would be great to have for the second receiver, since Zorn wants to use Randel El as a slot receiver. so Hardy is my pick

he's 6'5" ran a sub 4.5, and was regarded as a 1st rounder beforehand, so i don't think he'll be there. I'd definitely take him over sweed though.

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by That Guy

albert isn't nearly a value in the 1st, and carl nicks may be gone before the 21st pick (as the 3rd OT drafted).

mix isn't going to help us get anywhere anytime soon, and i hate the excuse that harvey is a bad fit because carter doesn't weigh 290. guess what? either you can play or you can't. gholston is lighter, yet he can do 37 reps, and it's not like we'd be the 1st or 8th or 52nd attempt at using two 270ish DEs and being successful. harvey is just a safer pick than 290lbs campbell who people overhyped because of his size.

if you don't like harvey, try merling. campbell doesn't win in workouts, production, or highlight reels compared to either... that's no guarantee, but it's a pretty good hedge.

dre moore may be available in the 3rd. in the 2nd, laws would be a better pick if available. nonstop motor and good skills.

if DRC is there at our pick, it'd be stupid not to take him. he's shown he's a playmaker, and he's a 6'2" CB that runs 4.33 (the other cromartie ran 4.47)... that's as close as you'll get to TO or moss at the CB position.

I agree about Harvey. Didn't he weigh in at about 290 at the combine anyways? He can definitely play as well as rise to the occasion for a big game. I like having AC and him coming off the edge. It could be dangerous, as well as free up the middle pass rush a bit when blocking shifts to the outside to account for them.

[theJBexperience]

I've only read about the Skins so far interviewing Michigan QB Chad Henne, Oregon State RB Yvenson Bernard, & University of Oregon QB Dennis Dixon. Has anybody read any other reports of who we've interviewed?

It looks like we'll pick up a QB in the later rounds again. Maybe, give Josh Johnson a shot? Dixon really only had one good season but what a season, right?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

I've only read about the Skins so far interviewing Michigan QB Chad Henne, Oregon State RB Yvenson Bernard, & University of Oregon QB Dennis Dixon. Has anybody read any other reports of who we've interviewed?

It looks like we'll pick up a QB in the later rounds again. Maybe, give Josh Johnson a shot? Dixon really only had one good season but what a season, right?

I think they're just covering their bases, but from what I've seen QB's in the draft are hard to predict where they'll be available.

Last year Troy Smith went from a potential top 5 pick to a second round pick and ended up being taken in the 5th or 6th round

Chris Sims was projected as a late 1st early 2nd, Sims went in the 3rd round

Brady Quin was a top 10 pick until draft day where he was picked around the 22nd spot. Same thing with Aaron Rogers.

Patrick Ramsey was a 2nd or 3rd round pick, the Skins took him in the 1st round.

With that said I really like what I've seen from Henne and if someone takes a chance to groom him he'll become a good NFL starter. If I had to bet I'd say he has a better career then Matt Ryan.

[SmootSmack]

I think the Falcons would like to pull off that trade with the Giants so they can take Henne with the last pick in the first round

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the Falcons would like to pull off that trade with the Giants so they can take Henne with the last pick in the first round

Never mind then. The Falcons aren't an oven their a furnace. If a QB gets thrown in there he'll be burned alive. Nevertheless that theory sounds about right. Four picks in the first two rounds would probably go a long way towards helping the Falcons rebuild.