Seems like Cutler might be available.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

The more I hear about this story the more I agree wih you. Cutler seems like a spoiled baby. I just heard he's not even returning calls from the owner. That's just insane, If the guy that signs your check calls you, you pick up the damn phone.

It sounds to me like he is just trying to whine his way out of Denver b/c they dumped the coaches he liked.

Newsflash: Take off the pampers and be a man. If you think they treated you disrespectfully, show'em up with your play not your mouth.

I join the "not gonna happen" crowd. Even if it could, I wouldn't touch this whiner with a 10 foot pole.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

It sounds to me like he is just trying to whine his way out of Denver b/c they dumped the coaches he liked.

Newsflash: Take off the pampers and be a man. If you think they treated you disrespectfully, show'em up with your play not your mouth.

I join the "not gonna happen" crowd. Even if it could, I wouldn't touch this whiner with a 10 foot pole.

There must something about Denver and Whiners. Remember when Elway was drafted by the then Baltimore Colts and he refused to play for them unless he was traded? He got his wish and was traded to the Broncos.

[Gmanc711]

I guess I just still don't get the hate for Campbell. I really think he's progressing well enough to be a solid starter for us for a number of years into the future...

I don't put him on any elite level by any standards, but I just don't understand why we can't give this guy time. He's played better than just about any other QB we've had in the last 20 years (going post 1991), minus Johnson...I think we need to just let him develop.


(Thats not saying I would not take a guy like Cutler, but I just don't get the hate on Campbell... not so much in this thread as in general)

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I guess I just still don't get the hate for Campbell. I really think he's progressing well enough to be a solid starter for us for a number of years into the future...

I don't put him on any elite level by any standards, but I just don't understand why we can't give this guy time. He's played better than just about any other QB we've had in the last 20 years (going post 1991), minus Johnson...I think we need to just let him develop.


(Thats not saying I would not take a guy like Cutler, but I just don't get the hate on Campbell... not so much in this thread as in general)

It is not hate, just disillusionment. With the help of the Redskin Park propaganda machine, this kid was talked up way too much I think. He has a lot of talent for sure, but his success at Auburn was with a nice O line and the best backfield college football has ever seen in a very long time. As for him being the best Skin QB post '91, with the exception of Brad Johnson, that isn't saying much. He still has to surpass Frerotte in passing yardage(on par to do that by midseason '09), and unless he can get real production from those rook WR's he will have to wait til next season to beat Frerotte's TD mark on the all time list. That being said, any other post '91 Qb hasn't started for more than 2 seasons anyway, with the exception of Gus, so any average to decent QB is bound to be the best of the bunch.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

It is not hate, just disillusionment. With the help of the Redskin Park propaganda machine, this kid was talked up way too much I think. He has a lot of talent for sure, but his success at Auburn was with a nice O line and the best backfield college football has ever seen in a very long time. As for him being the best Skin QB post '91, with the exception of Brad Johnson, that isn't saying much. He still has to surpass Frerotte in passing yardage(on par to do that by midseason '09), and unless he can get real production from those rook WR's he will have to wait til next season to beat Frerotte's TD mark on the all time list. That being said, any other post '91 Qb hasn't started for more than 2 seasons anyway, with the exception of Gus, so any average to decent QB is bound to be the best of the bunch.

Does the Redskins propaganda machine also own the rights to Campbell's career statistics (college and pro) and his game film? If so, I have every right to call conspiracy theory, re: Campbell is a good QB!

[Paintrain]

A quick Campbell/Cutler comparison-
JC (Jason Campbell)-36 starts, 16-20 W-L record, 35 TD, 23 INT, 80.4 QB rating

JC (Jay Cutler)-37 starts, 17-20 W-L record, 54 TD, 37 INT, 87.1 QB rating

Cutler has been in a much more passer friendly, aggressive offense for his starts that Campbell was. He also had elite level WR talent in Brandon Marshall and had Rod Smith for his first 21 starts. Add in an established offense and experienced coach/playcaller in Shanahan it's not hard to figure out why he shines a little brighter in the TD category.

Where it really matters however is in the W-L column. Cutler has never won anywhere, not in college, not in the pros. Is he really that much of an upgrade from Campbell?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

A quick Campbell/Cutler comparison-
JC (Jason Campbell)-36 starts, 16-20 W-L record, 35 TD, 23 INT, 80.4 QB rating

JC (Jay Cutler)-37 starts, 17-20 W-L record, 54 TD, 37 INT, 87.1 QB rating

Cutler has been in a much more passer friendly, aggressive offense for his starts that Campbell was. He also had elite level WR talent in Brandon Marshall and had Rod Smith for his first 21 starts. Add in an established offense and experienced coach/playcaller in Shanahan it's not hard to figure out why he shines a little brighter in the TD category.

Where it really matters however is in the W-L column. Cutler has never won anywhere, not in college, not in the pros. Is he really that much of an upgrade from Campbell?

In my mind he is...but I am not here to bash Campbell. I think Campbell can develop into a good starter. I just think Cutler has already shown he's a good starter and he could become great.

I discount Cutlers W/L record becasue his defense is awful.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by celts32

In my mind he is...but I am not here to bash Campbell. I think Campbell can develop into a good starter. I just think Cutler has already shown he's a good starter and he could become great.

[b]I discount Cutlers W/L record becasue his defense is awful.[\b]

If that's the case, how many of Campbell's losses do you discount because of the defense or other factors? Does the Rams loss count against him (Kendall fumble at the end of the 1st half, deep pass with less than 2 mins leading to the game winning FG)? Does the Cowboys loss in '07 count against him (4 TD given up to T.O.)? Does the SF loss count against him (giving up a game winning drive with less than 2 mins)? How can you apply that standard to one JC and not the other JC?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

If that's the case, how many of Campbell's losses do you discount because of the defense or other factors? Does the Rams loss count against him (Kendall fumble at the end of the 1st half, deep pass with less than 2 mins leading to the game winning FG)? Does the Cowboys loss in '07 count against him (4 TD given up to T.O.)? Does the SF loss count against him (giving up a game winning drive with less than 2 mins)? How can you apply that standard to one JC and not the other JC?

I think a lot of the losses are not on JC. I already told you I am not bashing JC. I am not actively looking to replace JC at all. I just happen to love Cutler and if I can get Cutler I would do it. If I can't I am perfectly happy with JC as the starter. Thinking that Cutler is an upgrade over JC does not mean I hate JC.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Zerohero

The vibe i get from most posts here isn't necessarily that campbell sucks or not wanted but if the opportunity is out there to upgrade go for it. Does anyone here really believe Campbell is better then Cutler, or has a higher upside?

I honestly do. JC_R and JC_D have the basic same winning percentage.

Originally Posted by Paintrain

A quick Campbell/Cutler comparison-
JC (Jason Campbell)-36 starts, 16-20 W-L record, 35 TD, 23 INT, 80.4 QB rating

JC (Jay Cutler)-37 starts, 17-20 W-L record, 54 TD, 37 INT, 87.1 QB rating

Cutler has been in a much more passer friendly, aggressive offense for his starts that Campbell was. He also had elite level WR talent in Brandon Marshall and had Rod Smith for his first 21 starts. Add in an established offense and experienced coach/playcaller in Shanahan it's not hard to figure out why he shines a little brighter in the TD category.

Where it really matters however is in the W-L column. Cutler has never won anywhere, not in college, not in the pros. Is he really that much of an upgrade from Campbell?

I think this says it very well. I would add that JC_R has progressed every year, and this year should/could be a big step for him. yes I would rather keep the qb we have lived and died with, then bring another upstart in and watch as he gets the same results with a lot more whining, and not much winning.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I honestly do. JC_R and JC_D have the basic same winning percentage.

I think this says it very well. I would add that JC_R has progressed every year, and this year should/could be a big step for him. yes I would rather keep the qb we have lived and died with, then bring another upstart in and watch as he gets the same results with a lot more whining, and not much winning.

Can Culter complete a pass in under 3 seconds?

If he can we should trade our 13th overall to Denver for Cutler and not address our OL needs.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

A quick Campbell/Cutler comparison-
JC (Jason Campbell)-36 starts, 16-20 W-L record, 35 TD, 23 INT, 80.4 QB rating

JC (Jay Cutler)-37 starts, 17-20 W-L record, 54 TD, 37 INT, 87.1 QB rating

Cutler has been in a much more passer friendly, aggressive offense for his starts that Campbell was. He also had elite level WR talent in Brandon Marshall and had Rod Smith for his first 21 starts. Add in an established offense and experienced coach/playcaller in Shanahan it's not hard to figure out why he shines a little brighter in the TD category.

Where it really matters however is in the W-L column. Cutler has never won anywhere, not in college, not in the pros. Is he really that much of an upgrade from Campbell?

What does W/L record have to do with it? Cutler played at freakin Vanderbuilt w/ scrubs against the toughest competition in the country and was the SEC player of the year. Sorry but you don't do that at Vanderbuilt unless you're a PURE STUD. I do agee that he's had better coaching and stayed in one offense. But Cutler seems to be getting better where JC has just stayed the same. Cutler had NO running game at all this past year. None. Yes Cutler has better wr's but McNabb plays w/ shitty wr's and carries his offense....FOR YEARS. Does JC have that kind of ability? To carry an offense and throw for 4,500 yards? We've seen small glimpses of it but this year he needs to take it to the next level.

[MTK]

Was his defense terrible in college too? Just asking I really didn't follow him in college.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Was his defense terrible in college too? Just asking I really didn't follow him in college.

Well, playing for Vanderbilt in the SEC, his teams were usually pretty overmatched on both sides of the ball. I will say that he probably gets some of his jerk attitude from his dad. I remember when Vandy played Florida in the Swamp during Cutler's last season, they were hanging tight with the Gators, and he was lighting it up. His dad got into a shouting match with Gator fans and was doing a mock gator chomp right in the face of some girls. Pretty lame. The look on his face when Florida ended up winning was great.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I dont think theres any question that Cutler is a better QB than Campbell is at this point in thier careers. However, Cutler isn't that much better... atleast not enough to warrant giving up our first rounder, and thats exactly what it would take to get him.

At this point, we've already paid Campbell a 2M bonus - if we were going to get rid of him, we should have done it a few weeks ago. Jason Campbell is our starter in 2009. If he gets the job done, we can extend him, give him a high tender, or franchise him in 2010. If he doesnt (much more likely), we will simply let him walk and get a 3rd round comp pick for him in 2011.

I was a proponent of trading Campbell earlier in the offseason, but at this point he's definitely going to be our starter this year (not that there was really ever any doubt about that to begin with). He's the best QB on our roster by far, and we need to hope he improves. If not, we can put Brennan in there half-way through the season and see if he has anything. No matter what happens, we'll have a clear picture of our QB situation (even if that picture is bleak), by the end of the season.