the new health care?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I was wondering about this, where are all the good liberal protectors of free speech and individual privacy (ACLU, etc.) that fought so hard against the "evil" Bush Administration's Patriot Act? I guess it's OK to fight for the rights of terrorists and those who would harm the U.S., but any conservative American citizens who have broken no laws and have legitimate disagreements with the current Administration, well the ACLU certainly won't stand up for them. They won't get in the way of Premier Obama and the Politburo shaping the country into a Worker's Paradise, good news for the anti-American Communist Lawyers Union.

From John Cornyn's letter to the President:

“I am not aware of any precedent for a president asking American citizens to report their fellow citizens to the White house for pure political speech that is deemed ‘fishy’ or otherwise inimical to the White House’s political interests,” the Texas senator wrote in a letter to Obama.

“By requesting that citizens send ‘fishy’ e-mails to the White House, it is inevitable that the names, e-mail addresses, IP addresses, and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported … You should not be surprised that these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection system.”

LOOOL...seriously? This guy is a U.S. Senator? He is either a moron or thinks we're moron. With Cornyn you never know which is true. Any reasonable person knows that all the white house wanted to do is fight bogus chain emails similar to the ones we constatntly saw posted here and everywhere else. Their request was beyond innocent and I really don't know how "forward us fishy chain emails and rumors so we can debunk them" turned into "spy on your fellow citizens on our behalf." Un-f*cking-believable.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOOOL...seriously? This guy is a U.S. Senator? He is either a moron or thinks we're moron. With Cornyn you never know which is true. Any reasonable person knows that all the white house wanted to do is fight bogus chain emails similar to the ones we constatntly saw posted here and everywhere else. Their request was beyond innocent and I really don't know how "forward us fishy chain emails and rumors so we can debunk them" turned into "spy on your fellow citizens on our behalf." Un-f*cking-believable.

Truly saden-esque response. I don't remember any "bogus chain E-mails" posted here, maybe I missed something. The Patriot Act was designed to provide surveillance on terrorist suspects, the left went nuts claiming all sorts of "innocent civilians" were prosecuted under the Patriot Act. But yet I don't recall any evidence of any prosecution not terror related.

Nothing in Cornyn's letter is false.

[firstdown]

Obama makes my point about how goverment screws things up. He is trying to sell the people on goverment run health care by pointing out how other goverment programs don't run very well. Wow, great way to make my point.

YouTube - OBAMA gaffe: 'UPS and FedEx are doing...

[dmek25]

its like any thing else. i would be willing to bet 6 months from now no one is talking about health care. its kind of like at the start of the election the main focus was Iraq. by the time election night rolled around, it was the economy

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

its like any thing else. i would be willing to bet 6 months from now no one is talking about health care. its kind of like at the start of the election the main focus was Iraq. by the time election night rolled around, it was the economy

Iraq was still pretty big come election day. So are you saying that in 6 months health Insurance reform (remember Obama changed the name) will have either failed or succeeded and everyone just moves on. My hope is that the plan fails but we end up with some good reform to the current system.

[dmek25]

i kind of think that's the goal. if his plan fails, at least the right peoples eyes are focusing on the issue. finding a way to manage costs. isn't that what its really all about?

[saden1]

Beware, imbeciles are afoot:

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

Beware, imbeciles are afoot:

There were definitely imbeciles in that clip.

[saden1]

For those bashing the ACLU's you aught to know their mandate and the fact that they'll protect your freedom of speech even if the speech is of the nature bellow. The last time I checked these protesters are still out there and free to spill their guts. With respect to people actually taking them seriously and listening to them the ACLU can't help in that regard. Perhaps there's a confusion between "the right to free speech" and "the right for your speech to be accommodated and be heard" here.

[70Chip]

Three months ago the Republican Party looked dead in the water. It would have taken a miracle to revive their hopes. You ask for a miracle? I give you Rahm Emmanuel, David Axelrod, and Robert Gibbs. The Left spent the better part of five years endeavoring to engineer an American defeat in Iraq from the rear and now they seem perplexed that anyone would dare oppose them. There are no rules here. You get what you gave. Karma's an ugly bitch.

[saden1]

If the opposition is going to be delivered by racist xenophobic anti-Semites there's nothing to worry about. Ugly people are rarely attractive to all the people. Let the games begin or should I say resume.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

If the opposition is going to be delivered by racist xenophobic anti-Semites there's nothing to worry about. Ugly people are rarely attractive to all the people. Let the games begin or should I say resume.

I think you're reading the intentions incorrectly. Although I am sure some of them are those things just because people like that do exist.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

If the opposition is going to be delivered by racist xenophobic anti-Semites there's nothing to worry about. Ugly people are rarely attractive to all the people. Let the games begin or should I say resume.

I knew when decided to post on this again you would use those types of terms and throw out the race card.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by saden1

If the opposition is going to be delivered by racist xenophobic anti-Semites there's nothing to worry about. Ugly people are rarely attractive to all the people. Let the games begin or should I say resume.

Wow, you and Nancy Pelosi completely missed the point. How are the people protesting with the Nazi symbol crossed out, anti-Semites? The comparison being made is the tactics of the Obama Admin and the left being compared to the National Socialist movement under Hitler. While there are similarities, I don't think it's an effective tactic to make that comparison in the Health Care debate.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Wow, you and Nancy Pelosi completely missed the point. How are the people protesting with the Nazi symbol crossed out, anti-Semites? The comparison being made is the tactics of the Obama Admin and the left being compared to the National Socialist movement under Hitler. While there are similarities, I don't think it's an effective tactic to make that comparison in the Health Care debate.

Similarities eh? Pray tell, what kind?

I was merely highlighting that two can play the game of demonization. If you must know though, brother Emanuel and Axelrod won't appreciate being associated with Hitler and the Nazi party neither will the Jewish members of congress and the 70% of the Jews that voted for the Administration.