nfl week 15

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I'm just pointing out that being drafted in the first round doesn't make you a huge talent

Yes it does. No one wastes a first round pick on anyone who's not a huge talent. We'll agree to disagree.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

I respectfully disagree. Sure he's had some inconsistencies but he doesn't get enough reps. Jerry Jones didn't give up a 1st round pick for him because he's a bum. And yes he's a huge talent, you don't start for Texas or go in the first round if your not a huge talent. Don't let your hatred for Dallas derail your objectivity.

That's fine. I maintain, however, Williams is a bum. Without looking, I think Williams and Devin Thomas are having comparable seasons. I haven't checked in a while, but I will when I'm done typing this.

As far as him having talent and playing for Texas, a big SO WHAT. What does that have to do with anything? The list is very long of those who were great in college and busts in the NFL. Did it ever occur to you that Roy Williams doesn't get looks because he's not open? Roy Williams runs one or two good routes (slants and posts), take those away and he's a very, very ordinary NFL reciever.

[CRedskinsRule]

Roy E Williams Stats:
Years Tm GP REC YDS YPC Lng TD FD FUM FUM LOST
2004 DET 14 54 817 15.1 46 8 34 1 1
2005 DET 13 45 687 15.3 51 8 31 0 0
2006 DET 16 82 1310 16.0 60 7 66 2 2
2007 DET 12 64 838 13.1 91 5 34 2 1
2008 DAL 10 19 198 10.4 38 1 12 0 0
2008 DET 5 17 232 13.6 25 1 14 0 0

If you are gonna throw out stats might as well show them all. He's not a superstar, and Austin is the hot receiver right now, so enjoy the man crush, just don't expect any knowledgeable fans here to buy into it.

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

That's fine. I maintain, however, Williams is a bum. Without looking, I think Williams and Devin Thomas are having comparable seasons. I haven't checked in a while, but I will when I'm done typing this.

As far as him having talent and playing for Texas, a big SO WHAT. What does that have to do with anything? The list is very long of those who were great in college and busts in the NFL. Did it ever occur to you that Roy Williams doesn't get looks because he's not open? Roy Williams runs one or two good routes (slants and posts), take those away and he's a very, very ordinary NFL reciever.

And I maintain that bums don't make probowls. Roy Williams did. End of story.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I'd love to tour their winery. If you like Cab Franc, you should try Topiary from Boxwood Winery in VA (owned by John Kent Cooke, Jack's son). Rachel Martin (John's stepdaughter) is a friend of mine and is basically the CEO of the winery. They really put out some good wine.

Nice, ill have to check it out. Cab Franc has become my fav, seems bolder, pepper & tobbaco notes, good sh*t, Virginia seems to grow it well

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Yes it does. No one wastes a first round pick on anyone who's not a huge talent. We'll agree to disagree.

there is a huge difference between nfl talent an collee talent though andyou can't always el hich colee talntwill bereat nfl talents

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

yeah and you know sandtrapjack will show back up

Yeah, he will say it's cuz its Skins week, and he has been busy. I hate the cowboys

[Kalisto2010]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Roy E Williams Stats:
Years Tm GP REC YDS YPC Lng TD FD FUM FUM LOST
2004 DET 14 54 817 15.1 46 8 34 1 1
2005 DET 13 45 687 15.3 51 8 31 0 0
2006 DET 16 82 1310 16.0 60 7 66 2 2
2007 DET 12 64 838 13.1 91 5 34 2 1
2008 DAL 10 19 198 10.4 38 1 12 0 0
2008 DET 5 17 232 13.6 25 1 14 0 0

just don't expect any knowledgeable fans here to buy into it.

So I guess that excludes you doesn't it.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

Yes it does. No one wastes a first round pick on anyone who's not a huge talent. We'll agree to disagree.

Teams blow millions of dollars in the 1st round every year on guys who flash potential in college.

Aside from one really solid year in Detroit, Roy Williams hasn't done shit in the NFL. I'd love to know why you're singling him out and defending him. He sucks man. Show me stats to prove otherwise (not from a few years back on another team). If he was so great, he'd be taking reps away from undrafted Miles Austin. He's a gigantic underachiever just like every other Matt Millen WR not named Calvin Johnson.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

And I maintain that bums don't make probowls. Roy Williams did. End of story.

Pro Bowls are a popularity contest.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

there is a huge difference between nfl talent an collee talent though andyou can't always el hich colee talntwill bereat nfl talents

speaking of the drunk thread!

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

there is a huge difference between nfl talent an collee talent though andyou can't always el hich colee talntwill bereat nfl talents

my keyboard batteries were low, unfortunatly i'm not that drunk yet

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

there is a huge difference between nfl talent an collee talent though andyou can't always el hich colee talntwill bereat nfl talents

thats what im screamin

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

So I guess that excludes you doesn't it.

No, not really, but thanks for deleting the main point and ignoring the stats. Classy

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Kalisto2010

And I maintain that bums don't make probowls. Roy Williams did. End of story.

Wait, which Cowboys Roy Williams are you talking about? Because the safety Roy Williams made a few pro-bowls despite being below average at best year in and year out.

You gonna enlighten us as to why you're defending such a worthless joke of a WR who happens to play for our archrival?