Portis staying?

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

I know some idget will argue that Denver had their 2 best season's when Portis was there but there are other issues to consider. How was the rest of the team playing? Did they have a good passing attack also? Did they have all their OL healthy? Who was QB?

In Portis 2 season's used 2002 and 2003 he did get more yards but so did the other RB's which leads me to believe the team as a whole was getting better. After Portis left each season they got less yardage rushing which tells me the team as a whole was on the decline. All the way up to 2008 which was Shanahan's last year.

Again not saying Portis sucks but he's aging. Salary is too high for production. Now injury prone.

Good post, up to this point. THe guys running with portis did well, but no better than any of the other backs that followed. We tried the whole 2 back thing, bringing out Portis for Betts all the time. All it did was piss me off, lol! I hate whenever they pan to Portis and he has that, "PUT ME IN THERE!" face, then i see Betts get stuffed shy of the endzone (Man we shoulda beat them Giants).

As For Solid Snake, Yeah, i felt the same way about Brunell. He got a bad rap and a lot of skins fans were doggin him. He's not the starter he once was and I was a little quicker to say 'in with the new' than you, but if they didn't let Jason in and kept with Brunell I would've been a little pissed, but not as mad as you where when they finally did. Funny thing is that we also both kinda want Brunell to shine if Brees gets hurt. (I'm also mad they got Chase Daniel)

I officialy take back the hurtful Pink Romo Jersey comment... that was a tad overkill.

Still... I sincerely believe that there is no current free agent prospect or HB already in red that can do better than a healthy CP. I think that creating a strong and techniquely sound o-line that is sturdy, cohesive, and somewhat youthfull is the highest priority, and if we used a pick to draft a #4 runningback, we're gonna have the next Barry Sanders. Screw highlight reels, i want a trophy! If we get a great line and (for instance) Have Portis, Ganther, Rock, and Mason, we'll KILL in the ground game! But ONLY if we fix our line. If you give me trade options where a better back won't cost us, then maybe, but as for Draft, we need that moster Tackle from Oklahoma State. As for free agents... i'd rather stick with CP then lose the money and pay for one of them

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Again not saying Portis sucks but he's aging. Salary is too high for production. Now injury prone.

portis is set to make over 10 mil per year until the year 2013. now is the time to cut bait imo.

[NYCskinfan82]

I like CP as a player but if we can pay him of and sign him to a lesser deal then do, i hope we can do that with all are other high paid players.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Free Agent Options:

Leon Washington... is about the same age as Portis and just broke his leg. Provided Portis is cleared from that head bang to play, I think Portis is the better of the two. Portis is far more accomplished and there aren't any other categories where he excels over CP. Leon IS, however, a great #2 back and can be the next Rock since he is younger than Rock and can do special teams, but even so, he's reportedly out to be an number one and make big bucks. He may want just as much as CP.

Willie Parker... Fast Willie is WAY more injury prone than CP and though he's been in about as long his stats are WAY lower than CP in many categories. He's a humungus risk. Unlike Portis, Willie doesn't play injured often, he'll spend more time on our bench than Todd Collins. He's likely to stay in Pit

Chester Taylor... I doubt he's going anywhere. AP is not an every down back. They need someone else to pick up the slack and will, and should, do whatever it takes to keep AP as healthy as they can for as long as they can. He's older than Portis but has fewer miles. He's not as good as Portis at Portis' best, but as portis is now, i think they're arguable in the same boat. If he's out there to grab, it then just depends on money. Still i don't see it as an improvement. He is a beast though

Pierre Thomas... i doubt the saints will let him go, but he is definately not a #1 running ack. He may fit well for Shanahan's scheme though, and he is only 25. IF Portis' is at his best, i don't see Thomas being better. He's better than everyone else on the roster though, as an HB that is. As a receiving option, he's good, but no better than Rock or our young backs.

Ronnie Brown... Seriously? Like he's going anywhere. Miami's gonna keep him.

Jerome Harrison... One awesome game does NOT make a great player. Apart from the Chiefs game he was nothing to shout about. One 100+ game all season

Cadillac... Same boat as Portis on the injuries. He's not 'better' and he only had a pretty good year. I'm just not for trading for a caddy the same year with fewer mileage. If Portis is healthy, he's better than Cadillac healthy.

Mike Bell... Okay... this one is debatable. If the Saints can't keep him after paying for Reggie Bush and maybe Pierre Thomas, then I wouldn't mind Mike Bell coming in. Honestly, i don't see him leaving though and i don't see him putting up 1500+ if the featured back.

Lendale White... dude was pushed asside for a reason. The TItans have a HORSE in Chris Johnson. (holy crap) But White is just #2. a GREAT #2, but still

Everyone else is either old, crappy, or too injury prone for their mediocre stats to even make conversationworthy. The best of the crew above are not going anywhere. There are two above that i honeslty thin would do better than portis if we got them, but they aren't leaving their teams and to name them would only lead to another debate.

Now as for NON-free agent players that Snyder can wag his magic moneywand or trade to get... those scenarios can get pretty goofy and i suggest we not go there or some dork will say "We can trade Portis, Betts, and a draft pick for Adrian Peterson!" or something stupid like that. Please, reasonable options only, and keep in mind, better production in a better system with a better line doesn't make a better runningback. Emmit Smith was arguable a B+ back at best... but given insanly large holes to run through, anyone can be the man. (Barry woulda got 3000 behind that line)

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Free Agent Options:

Ronnie Brown... Seriously? Like he's going anywhere. Miami's gonna keep him.

LOVE to have Brown, but like you said, why would Miami part ways and keep Williams?
Most all your comments were pretty good, and while some could be debatable, they were close to being right on, so I left them alone...however, the following quote of yours is extremely incorrect:

Jerome Harrison... One awesome game does NOT make a great player. Apart from the Chiefs game he was nothing to shout about. One 100+ game all season

Actually he had 4 100 yard+ performances, AND he did it on Cleveland...CLEVELAND!
He only had 5 games where he would have been considered a "starter" in terms of carries, and in 4 of them he reached over 100. (in the other game he did not get to 100 yards, he had only 16 carries and it was vs the stingy Bal defense)
week 4- CIN, 121 yards
week 14- @K.C., 286 yards
week 15- OAK, 148 yards
week 16- JAX, 127 yards

Time to cut Portis and save the money...I would have SERIOUS concerns about our F.O. if they kept Portis given his age and lack of production. Sure he's still servicable, and still blocks well...but he should not be a primary back. The only way I would like to see portis in a skins uni is if he is cut and signs a new contract for a fraction of a fraction of what he makes. Then we draft some young stud and let them fight it out for carries.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Time to cut Portis and save the money...I would have SERIOUS concerns about our F.O. if they kept Portis given his age and lack of production. Sure he's still servicable, and still blocks well...but he should not be a primary back. The only way I would like to see portis in a skins uni is if he is cut and signs a new contract for a fraction of a fraction of what he makes. Then we draft some young stud and let them fight it out for carries.

Quick correction that cutting Portis wouldn't save money, it would waste it.

Honestly though, the money that we have guaranteed to Portis for 2010 should be considered a sunk cost, and should not be considered in the decision to keep him or cut bait with him. That is to say: "because we owe him 6 million" is not a good reason for keeping him over getting rid of him. But likewise, cutting him doesn't get you that large amount of money back. It still has to be paid.

If we write it off as a sunk cost today in the books, we basically have to make the decision between having Portis on the roster "for free", and having him off the team at the exact same price. If he's one of the best 53 players (or four RBs), we should keep him, otherwise, we should get rid of him and cut him a check.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Quick correction that cutting Portis wouldn't save money, it would waste it.

Honestly though, the money that we have guaranteed to Portis for 2010 should be considered a sunk cost, and should not be considered in the decision to keep him or cut bait with him. That is to say: "because we owe him 6 million" is not a good reason for keeping him over getting rid of him. But likewise, cutting him doesn't get you that large amount of money back. It still has to be paid.

I'm referring strictly to the cap hit he will cost us for the next two years. Snyder has deep pockets so that money won't matter on an uncapped year.

If we write it off as a sunk cost today in the books, we basically have to make the decision between having Portis on the roster "for free", and having him off the team at the exact same price. If he's one of the best 53 players (or four RBs), we should keep him, otherwise, we should get rid of him and cut him a check.

I agree.

[dgack]

Wait, did someone actually say they'd rather keep CP than have Pierre Thomas? Pass whatever you're smoking, man. It's been a rough week, I need a hit.

Thomas has less carries on him in 3 years than CP took in any full season he's played in, and he crushes CP's career ypc -- 5.1 to 4.5 (and by the way, you take out those two years in Denver and CP's career ypc takes a 12% hit. He's logged an avg 4.1ypc since he arrived here.)

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

Everyone else is either old, crappy, or too injury prone for their mediocre stats to even make conversationworthy. The best of the crew above are not going anywhere. There are two above that i honeslty thin would do better than portis if we got them, but they aren't leaving their teams and to name them would only lead to another debate.

Now as for NON-free agent players that Snyder can wag his magic moneywand or trade to get... those scenarios can get pretty goofy and i suggest we not go there or some dork will say "We can trade Portis, Betts, and a draft pick for Adrian Peterson!" or something stupid like that. Please, reasonable options only, and keep in mind, better production in a better system with a better line doesn't make a better runningback. Emmit Smith was arguable a B+ back at best... but given insanly large holes to run through, anyone can be the man. (Barry woulda got 3000 behind that line)

I don't understand why we need to be pressed for a feature back and even worst, look for one in free agency. This team will most likely move towards a 2-RB or 3-RB system. We need to find a talented RB in the later rounds, and recent acquisitions by other teams (i.e. Tashard Choice, Shonn Greene) have resulted in success.

[SolidSnake84]

I agree with your last points. The team had no leadership from the players OR the coaches.

I havent taken a thing away from Portis' past work, and understand what he has brought to this club...however, i just think his best moments already happened, and we can't bank on him having a future here.

[Redskins_P]

I don't think we should go after any FA RB's. We have enough experience with CP, Betts, and Rock. Its time to draft a young up and comer. We need to get younger.

[Skins4L]

One more year for CP.

and screw the mock drafts. Id like O-Line 1st Round, 2nd Round RB, 3rd Round DB/LB or whatever order.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Dgack and others ned to seriously look at total pictures. If you have an outstanding passing attack, of COURSE you can have a easier chance at the run. If you have a balanced attack, but an awesome line, Yes, you'll have great stats. With Portis' stats, especialy LAST year, were at least 60% of his 300+ carry seasons are behind injured, poorly put together, and jacked up o-lines. THe steelers last superbowl, they had a crappy line too, look at theri running stats. But their receivers can catch, so they had a passing attack. You can't jsut say, "Portis stats are low" and ignore the line. You REALLY can't say that shouldering the load with the amount of carries he had to have is a small feat either. That's called sacrafice and being a team player. I don't care what few comments were taken to heart by everyone BUT his teamates who forgive and have his back. He's a team player and far more durable than given credit for.

[CRedskinsRule]

I find it hard to call Portis a team player, IF you define "team player" as someone who practices as hard as they play, who strives to minimize divisiveness, and who looks at the team goals over individual accomplishment. I think Portis is a self centered player who through his outstanding ability has, over the years lifted the play of the team. Now, though, as age and injuries become legitimately asked questions, he needs to transform his play and attitude to that of a mature superstar. That is what Shanahan spoke of in his introductory press conference, and that is what CP needs to do if he is going to stay here and excel. If he wants to be the center of it all, and not focus on team practice and conditioning, then he ought to find another stage to finish his career.

[MTK]

CP a "team player"? Now that's a good one!