Redskins trading out of the 4 spot?

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If we made a play for Tate, I'd imagine it would be at the expense of Randle El's roster spot. Not at the playing time of Kelly/Thomas/Mitchell. As far as we know, Moss is still blocking them with his replacement level play.

thats what i thought of moss and portis for the past year or so, if you meant what im thinking. moss and portis played well enough to hold onto their jobs and not be replaced by an up and coming player. but they played just well enough, not great or significant enough to impact our W L record.

if you think about it, our core offensive guys (campbell, portis, moss, ARE, cooley) have been together for the past 4-5 years with average to near bottom production on offense, yet nothing changed. no one was replaced, no roster shuffling. weve had kelly and thomas for 2 years and still havent seen them really targeted or given a chance.

shoot, if cooley didnt get injured we still wouldnt know what to think of fred davis. honestly, it takes an injury to a starter on offense before we get a look at what other younger players we have might bring to the table? for an offense as bad and as hungry for explosion as ours, we cant find times in a 4-12 season to showcase some of our young guys? i blame zorn and i digresssss. . .

[WaldSkins]

Rumors swirl of Jason Campbell trade | ProFootballTalk.com

Sums up what SmootSmack said earlier but here's a link:

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Rumors swirl of Jason Campbell trade | ProFootballTalk.com

Sums up what SmootSmack said earlier but here's a link:

Jason Campbell... Fit in Buffalo? - Buffalobills.com Message Board

Here's what Bills fans are saying about Jason Campbell

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Jason Campbell... Fit in Buffalo? - Buffalobills.com Message Board

Here's what Bills fans are saying about Jason Campbell

Sounds alot like our members here. Some appreciate his stats going up with nothing to work with, some think he's garbage.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by WaldSkins

Jason Campbell... Fit in Buffalo? - Buffalobills.com Message Board

Here's what Bills fans are saying about Jason Campbell

Got to love when other teams fans speak for you:

Talk on the FAN in DC is that they would want a 1st round pick and I believe a 3rd along with D. Whitner if I recall. Im sorry but cambell is NOT worth all that, hes a back up at best, not a starter. I dont even know if he is better than what we got now with Trent. If Campbell does come here he should feel like he is back in Washington with our piss poor O line blocking for him and him getting hammered every game. Should make for another miserable season, again.

That's his tender! The asking price would most likely be a second round pick and Donte Whitner.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Are you guys freaking morons? Did you even watch a single Redskin game last year? Our quarterback was getting tackled as he was dropping back to pass. How is drafting an unproven rookie quarterback going to improve this situation. You cannot compare the current Redskin situation to the Jets with Sanchez and the Ravens with Flacco. Both of those teams have a solid base around the quarterback and in both cases Sanchez and Flacco do little more that manager the offense. Campbell is not an all-pro, but right now, he is the best option the Skins have. Draft a quarterback at #2 and groom him. The first round pick has to be a franchise tackle.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Are you guys freaking morons? Did you even watch a single Redskin game last year? Our quarterback was getting tackled as he was dropping back to pass. How is drafting an unproven rookie quarterback going to improve this situation. You cannot compare the current Redskin situation to the Jets with Sanchez and the Ravens with Flacco. Both of those teams have a solid base around the quarterback and in both cases Sanchez and Flacco do little more that manager the offense. Campbell is not an all-pro, but right now, he is the best option the Skins have. Draft a quarterback at #2 and groom him. The first round pick has to be a franchise tackle.

So if I read your post correctly, folks who believe the Skins should draft an elite QB at #4 are "freaking morons".

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Are you guys freaking morons? Did you even watch a single Redskin game last year? Our quarterback was getting tackled as he was dropping back to pass. How is drafting an unproven rookie quarterback going to improve this situation. You cannot compare the current Redskin situation to the Jets with Sanchez and the Ravens with Flacco. Both of those teams have a solid base around the quarterback and in both cases Sanchez and Flacco do little more that manager the offense. Campbell is not an all-pro, but right now, he is the best option the Skins have. Draft a quarterback at #2 and groom him. The first round pick has to be a franchise tackle.

Thats not a bingo.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am decidedly undecided about the #4 pick. I think I am leaning more and more to the grab a QB while we can crowd, and maybe my Redskins history is leading me to that. We have been fortunate for the better part of the last decade to have to bookend OT's in Samuels and Jansen. We used high picks for both. What it gave us was average standings every year, so if we upgrade our line without grabbing a solid qb we may never be in position again to get the qb we need.

I understand what you're going through. One day I'll think that Campbell could be the next Schuab and we should whatever we can to support that possibilty. Obviously one of the most logical ways to do that is to draft Okung.

Then I have some days where I think Campbell is basically David Garrard where the only way we have a chance to win Super Bowl is only if everything goes absolutely perfect. I mean you saw it with Garrard in 2008. After a pro bowl year the team struggled at the tackle position so they thought all right lets sign a top tier LT and draft two promising young tackles. Unfortunately the result was quite average when it came to the passing game. Running game, awesome but passing wise not so much.

Then I think well the Falcons didn't do much work on their line and did awesome drafting a QB of the future while implementing a competent offensive system, but on the other hand the Dolphins went out of their way to fix their lines and went from 1-15 to a playoff team but they lucked out when Pennington got released, then again Campbell could easily be considered on par with Pennington during his first season with the Dolphins.

At this point my mind is a mess to the point where I just want to see what the new regime does and support it so long as it's within reason, which is what will likely be the case.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Are you guys freaking morons? Did you even watch a single Redskin game last year? Our quarterback was getting tackled as he was dropping back to pass. How is drafting an unproven rookie quarterback going to improve this situation. You cannot compare the current Redskin situation to the Jets with Sanchez and the Ravens with Flacco. Both of those teams have a solid base around the quarterback and in both cases Sanchez and Flacco do little more that manager the offense. Campbell is not an all-pro, but right now, he is the best option the Skins have. Draft a quarterback at #2 and groom him. The first round pick has to be a franchise tackle.

No more a moron then those who think that Shanahan will simply forgo the OL, draft a QB at #4 and turn him lose in the same damn OL. Pretty stupid thought huh.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No more a moron then those who think that Shanahan will simply forgo the OL, draft a QB at #4 and turn him lose in the same damn OL. Pretty stupid thought huh.

Tell him XXVI!!!!

[tryfuhl]

The first round pick doesn't HAVE to be a franchise tackle

It's guaranteed that our o-line will not be the same as last year

It's also shown that sometimes Campbell didn't get it out when he HAD time, or move around enough to get out of harm's way

Campbell didn't get the most help from the o-line and maybe receivers (harder to tell from regular game tape) but he's no future HOF even with that.. not likely even pro bowl

[CRedskinsRule]

I am decidedly undecided about the #4 pick. I think I am leaning more and more to the grab a QB while we can crowd, and maybe my Redskins history is leading me to that. We have been fortunate for the better part of the last decade to have to bookend OT's in Samuels and Jansen. We used high picks for both. What it gave us was average standings every year, so if we upgrade our line without grabbing a solid qb we may never be in position again to get the qb we need.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I am decidedly undecided about the #4 pick. I think I am leaning more and more to the grab a QB while we can crowd, and maybe my Redskins history is leading me to that. We have been fortunate for the better part of the last decade to have to bookend OT's in Samuels and Jansen. We used high picks for both. What it gave us was average standings every year, so if we upgrade our line without grabbing a solid qb we may never be in position again to get the qb we need.

I'm not trying to convert peoples thoughts but BINGO! You hit the nail on the head as to what I've been trying to point out.

[NYCskinfan82]

Whatever the FO decides i'm with, I just hope the people who are saying pick BLANK aren't the same people who went to see the Skins at camp in preseason and came back saying everything looks good because if you are you can't evaluate SH*T based on your post you had me thinking we were good this year & we went 4-12.

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Whatever the FO decides i'm with, I just hope the people who are saying pick BLANK aren't the same people who went to see the Skins at camp in preseason and came back saying everything looks good because if you are you can't evaluate SH*T based on your post you had me thinking we were good this year & we went 4-12.

Our record doesn't take into effect Suisham's 2 game losing misses,Landry playing out of position, poor personnel moves, Zorn's poor coaching, etc...

I dont recall anyone saying that we were Super Bowl contenders, lets just wait ans see what BA and MS can do.