Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft

Schneed10 · 03-31-2010, 10:50 AM

If Shanahan sees what I see in him, I'd be all for trading up for him. Give this year's 2 and next year's 1 if we have to. Nothing changes your franchise like an elite franchise QB.

Would we have holes to fill after that? Yes. But no other position on the field has nearly as much impact as a great QB does. I'm not interested in being good, I want to be great. I want the next Troy Aikman to make my team a contender for 10+ years.

CRedskinsRule · 03-31-2010, 10:54 AM

BHA,
What would Cowher do?

BigHairedAristocrat · 03-31-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

BHA,
What would Cowher do?

He would have brought in someone with more personnel knowledge and experience to be GM. Allens great as a leader but his speciality is in the business side of things. we've always been ahead of the curb on the business side of football.

bringing in Shanahan as HC and Allen as GM improved our team in two areas that needed improving as both represent upgrades over Zorn and Cerrato... but theres still a glaring weakness in our front office structure.

Think of it this way - its like drafting CJ Spiller with our first round pick and Tim Tebow with our 2nd. With our first round pick we got a HUGE upgrade at running back. With our 2nd, we got a guy who's a great leader but who's playing out of position. At the end of the day, neither is really going to improve the team if we dont have a solid offensive line and a good quarterback.

Shanahan and Allen won't build a successful team until they bring in a personnel guy to help them make those decisions. In the 2010 draft, I just want them to play it safe. In 2011, when we have a strong personnel guy in the FO helping them, i'll be more comfortable with the team taking more calculated risks.

To clarify my analogy above, i think our front office should/will eventually be be structured this way:

Team President - Bruce Allen
GM - pimp daddy mac talent evaluator
Head Coach - Shanahan

My dream scenario would have negated the need for a triumvate:
Head Coach - Bill Cowher
GM - pimp daddy mac talent evaluator

Schneed10 · 03-31-2010, 10:58 AM

And last but not least, Elway couldn't get over the hump before Shanahan. With him, won two straight titles. Give him the elite QB, and you give Mike Shanahan a chance to give you what you want.

IrMitchell · 03-31-2010, 12:01 PM

I seriously doubt that Sam Bradford becomes a Redskin, it's either Clausen or Okung. The Rams will not pass up on this, and the whole theory about Spag losing his job next year if they don't improve is a complete joke. If he doesn't pick Bradford and they still do bad he'll be even more criticized and WILL lose his job.
Now I'm not saying we couldnt get Bradford even if the Rams wanted him, but it's very unlikely and this kid seems like he really wants to be the best which starts with going 1st overall.
Why can't everyone pretend it's January again and talk about how we should get Clausen instead of Bradford because he's more NFL ready.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-31-2010, 01:40 PM

I just thought about this last night, but is anyone else worried that Shanahan might have the GW syndrome? The GW syndrome was where he thought his scheme was better than the players he needed.

I just really hope that Shanny doesn't think his zone blocking scheme can have anyone plugged in and have it work. I know we might need an upgrade at QB, but I am trusting him to understand that the offensive line is absolutely terrible.

MTK · 03-31-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I just thought about this last night, but is anyone else worried that Shanahan might have the GW syndrome? The GW syndrome was where he thought his scheme was better than the players he needed.

I just really hope that Shanny doesn't think his zone blocking scheme can have anyone plugged in and have it work. I know we might need an upgrade at QB, but I am trusting him to understand that the offensive line is absolutely terrible.

He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.

Ruhskins · 03-31-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.

The Bradford camp seems to forget this piece of information.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-31-2010, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.

That's the one thing that makes me a lot less nervous...

I think Bradford is going to be a great pro, but this year isn't the year to give up the farm for a QB if it's going to set us back on picks.

Dirtbag59 · 04-02-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

He drafted Clady in the 1st a few years ago, I'm sure he understands the importance of talent on the OL.

At the same time he draft Cutler two years before he got Clady. If he likes Clausen enough to take him at 4 then I doubt he'll have any bones about passing up a top tackle prospect.

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Originally Posted by jdc65

I agree; QB is a crapshoot, and if the Skins get Bradford and he busts? The Shanahan era will also bust here.
Still, the thought that we might have an 'elite' QB here with an 'elite' Head Coach and a progressive Offensive Co-ordinator is an enticing proposition. For me personally, I would much rather have Bradford/Saffold then Okung/McCoy.

I looked at the profiles of all the QB's taken in the first since 2003. There is no way of telling what you're going to get. A competent offensive coaching staff is probably your best chance of success along with a solid work ethic.

Ruhskins · 03-31-2010, 01:59 PM

I got this from Matt Williamson's chat (he's from Scout's Inc) on ESPN.com today.

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Dan (Washington, DC)

What would you do at #4 if you were the Skins? Clausen/2nd Rnd OT, or Okung/C. McCoy?
Matt Williamson (12:17 PM)

Okung-then give Campbell every chance to succeed. Maybe a guy like Gerhart in round 2. Or more OL help. Or a WR. Or a NT type. Or an ILB. Not big on the QBs at that point. However, not that I love Clausen, it is quite possible that he free falls on DDay if Buff goes another direction. If he starts to fall, Wash could back into round 1 and get both Okung and Clausen. Possible. But you take Okung at #4. To me, he is a WAY superior prospect.

PS: I'm not Dan, but I asked him a similar question, he just answered this one.

MTK · 03-31-2010, 02:10 PM

I should have said talent on the OL, especially at LT.

On the interior spots you can get away with lesser talented guys as long as they fit your scheme well. LT is the one spot on the OL where you really need a quality athlete. Okung is that kind of guy.

People are getting all hyped up on QB, but I think when the dust finally settles Okung is going to be the pick and we'll find out he was the main target all along.

SmootSmack · 03-31-2010, 03:11 PM

A lot of the scouts and front office people, including Scott Campbell and/or Morocco Brown may not (probably won't?) be here after this draft. Their contracts happen to run through April so that's why you haven't seen many changes. But there almost definitely will be front office changes this summer

SmootSmack · 03-31-2010, 03:39 PM

The training facilities have supposedly drastically improved. I don't know, I haven't been there in years. But I know a couple of key players from the 80s/early 90s who went on to other teams said they couldn't believe the difference between the Redskins organization from a facilities/management perspective and the teams they went onto. Point being it's been that way for a long, long time.

It didn't look awful when I saw it, but I also haven't been to a whole bunch of teams' headquarters.

But it sounds like it's much better now

freddyg12 · 04-01-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The training facilities have supposedly drastically improved. I don't know, I haven't been there in years. But I know a couple of key players from the 80s/early 90s who went on to other teams said they couldn't believe the difference between the Redskins organization from a facilities/management perspective and the teams they went onto. Point being it's been that way for a long, long time.

It didn't look awful when I saw it, but I also haven't been to a whole bunch of teams' headquarters.

But it sounds like it's much better now

The eagles of the 80s always said that it was a negative environment & the facilities, especially the vet, were a dump. That's one of the things A. REid did, improve the facilities & of course, they got a new stadium.

I think the Skins of the 00s have the same rap, if indeed the facilities are sub par. I guess it's presumed that the danny would have the nicest stuff, but it's been said on here before how the scouting dept. was budgeted low. Now I'm hearing the club infrastructure (aside from Redskin One).

Maybe Allen is convincing him to re-allocate some of his funds from players & into the facilities & staff instead.

03-31-2010, 10:50 AM	#1
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft If Shanahan sees what I see in him, I'd be all for trading up for him. Give this year's 2 and next year's 1 if we have to. Nothing changes your franchise like an elite franchise QB. Would we have holes to fill after that? Yes. But no other position on the field has nearly as much impact as a great QB does. I'm not interested in being good, I want to be great. I want the next Troy Aikman to make my team a contender for 10+ years. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

03-31-2010, 10:54 AM	#2
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 58 Posts: 21,742	Re: Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft BHA, What would Cowher do?

03-31-2010, 12:01 PM	#5
IrMitchell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 657	Re: Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft I seriously doubt that Sam Bradford becomes a Redskin, it's either Clausen or Okung. The Rams will not pass up on this, and the whole theory about Spag losing his job next year if they don't improve is a complete joke. If he doesn't pick Bradford and they still do bad he'll be even more criticized and WILL lose his job. Now I'm not saying we couldnt get Bradford even if the Rams wanted him, but it's very unlikely and this kid seems like he really wants to be the best which starts with going 1st overall. Why can't everyone pretend it's January again and talk about how we should get Clausen instead of Bradford because he's more NFL ready.

03-31-2010, 01:40 PM	#6
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft I just thought about this last night, but is anyone else worried that Shanahan might have the GW syndrome? The GW syndrome was where he thought his scheme was better than the players he needed. I just really hope that Shanny doesn't think his zone blocking scheme can have anyone plugged in and have it work. I know we might need an upgrade at QB, but I am trusting him to understand that the offensive line is absolutely terrible. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-31-2010, 02:10 PM	#12
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,038	Re: Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft I should have said talent on the OL, especially at LT. On the interior spots you can get away with lesser talented guys as long as they fit your scheme well. LT is the one spot on the OL where you really need a quality athlete. Okung is that kind of guy. People are getting all hyped up on QB, but I think when the dust finally settles Okung is going to be the pick and we'll find out he was the main target all along. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

03-31-2010, 10:58 AM	#4
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft And last but not least, Elway couldn't get over the hump before Shanahan. With him, won two straight titles. Give him the elite QB, and you give Mike Shanahan a chance to give you what you want. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

03-31-2010, 03:11 PM	#13
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft A lot of the scouts and front office people, including Scott Campbell and/or Morocco Brown may not (probably won't?) be here after this draft. Their contracts happen to run through April so that's why you haven't seen many changes. But there almost definitely will be front office changes this summer __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-31-2010, 03:39 PM	#14
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Sam Bradford's pro day workout should clear up top of NFL draft The training facilities have supposedly drastically improved. I don't know, I haven't been there in years. But I know a couple of key players from the 80s/early 90s who went on to other teams said they couldn't believe the difference between the Redskins organization from a facilities/management perspective and the teams they went onto. Point being it's been that way for a long, long time. It didn't look awful when I saw it, but I also haven't been to a whole bunch of teams' headquarters. But it sounds like it's much better now __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

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