Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al"

SirClintonPortis · 04-09-2010, 02:31 PM

Forcing Haynesworth to play NT is not optimal. When you're paying 100 million dollars to a guy, you don't put him in a position that gives less returns JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ****ING SAID SO. It represents a satisificing attitude, not an optimizing one.

It was the same with Jason Taylor. An undersized pass rusher trying to be a "disciplined" run stuffer that can hold the point of attack? DIDN'T WORK.

tryfuhl · 04-09-2010, 02:35 PM

Still trying to figure out what makes Al a "locker room cancer." If he's any type of cancer it's probably more of a "coaching staff cancer." You guys act like he's the only one in the league doing what he does. It's not like he's holding out or anything.

53Fan · 04-09-2010, 02:37 PM

This whole idea of signing all-pro players then trying to change what they do to fit your scheme is kinda stupid if you ask me. Pick a scheme, stick with it, and sign the appropriate players. If you're gonna make a change, get the right players for it first.

SFREDSKIN · 04-09-2010, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

This whole idea of signing all-pro players then trying to change what they do to fit your scheme is kinda stupid if you ask me. Pick a scheme, stick with it, and sign the appropriate players. If you're gonna make a change, get the right players for it first.

Unfortunately Shanahan is a 3-4 guy, he's trying to get the appropriate player for that scheme, Haynesworth just doesn't want to switch to NT. Can't blame AH since when he signed he specified a 4-3 D. There was nothing wrong with running a 4-3 which Shanahan should have kept and everyone would be happy.

diehard · 04-09-2010, 02:45 PM

And it was no secret that Haynesworth would not participate in voluntary off-season workouts, no matter who's coaching the team. I still wonder about the premature talk about switching to a 34 front.

Monkeydad · 04-09-2010, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

And it was no secret that Haynesworth would not participate in voluntary off-season workouts, no matter who's coaching the team. I still wonder about the premature talk about switching to a 34 front.

I think it's a media-driven much-ado-about-nothing with Al. It's completely overblown just to have something negative to report about the Skins in this very successful offseason.

Haynesworth IS working out, very hard, with the personal trainer he used to get to the Pro Bowl in 2007.

He shows up when required to. He'll play and make a huge difference when the season starts.

BigHairedAristocrat · 04-09-2010, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by diehard

And it was no secret that Haynesworth would not participate in voluntary off-season workouts, no matter who's coaching the team. I still wonder about the premature talk about switching to a 34 front.

How is it premature talk? Its been confirmed a thousand times that we're switching to a 3-4 front. The only question is how much 3-4 we'll actually run.

tootergray34 · 04-09-2010, 03:18 PM

I hear that the Lions want him...anybody else see this as a double edged sword...cause if we trade him to the lions...we won't be able to lang Okung...b/c I think the Lions will take him at #2...right?

Trample the Elderly · 04-09-2010, 03:20 PM

Skins NOT shopping Big AL

And the moon is made out of cheese.

BigHairedAristocrat · 04-09-2010, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tootergray34

I hear that the Lions want him...anybody else see this as a double edged sword...cause if we trade him to the lions...we won't be able to lang Okung...b/c I think the Lions will take him at #2...right?

I don't want okung in the first place. I want to make sure the Lions take him, so that either Suh or McCoy will be there at 4. Then we can easily trade down and acquire more picks.

tootergray34 · 04-09-2010, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I don't want okung in the first place. I want to make sure the Lions take him, so that either Suh or McCoy will be there at 4. Then we can easily trade down and acquire more picks.

Well played sir...how awesome would it be to land SF's multiple first round picks? that would be sweeeeet.

Defensewins · 04-09-2010, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

I think it's a media-driven much-ado-about-nothing with Al. It's completely overblown just to have something negative to report about the Skins in this very successful offseason.

Haynesworth IS working out, very hard, with the personal trainer he used to get to the Pro Bowl in 2007.

He shows up when required to. He'll play and make a huge difference when the season starts.

Agreed.
I am tired of hearing the same whiners make shit up about the 'Cancer' that is AH. Bullshit!
The word VOLUNTARY as defined by Webster's - proceeding from from one's own choice or consent. Having power of free choice.
Sheriff Shanahan and the other coaches in the NFL need to shut their mouths about not attending VOLUNTARY events. The coaches should be fined for creating hostile work environment. LOL!
Every offseason the coaches start this same bullshit and whine like little bitches. Then the press and fans overreact.
If the NFL wants to make some of these things an OBLIGATION and part of the job description then DO IT! ...other wise shut the hell up Sheriff Shanahan or whatever you think you are!

Pocket$ $traight · 04-09-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Still trying to figure out what makes Al a "locker room cancer." If he's any type of cancer it's probably more of a "coaching staff cancer." You guys act like he's the only one in the league doing what he does. It's not like he's holding out or anything.

He bashes coaches publicly. A new regime comes in and talks team, leadership and everyone being committed and then Al does his own thing. he goes on a radio show and tells the world that he doesn't see himself as a nose tackle. The team cuts him a check for $21 million but he cannot train with the team. One of his defensive teammates asks why he cannot at least join the guys and try the offseason workout. Instead of working out with the team for a week or two and making it look like he is on board he creates a national story and creates a negative perception issue for Shanahan to have to deal with out of the gate.

He isn't the only one in the league doing it, but why can't he at least make it look like he gives a shit about somthing besides himself. Al was one of the first guys to come out and say that things need to be done to prevent the losing but he can't show up for a few weeks to at least make it look like he is on board to prevent another 4-12 season and finish dead effing last in the division for the 3rd year in a row?

One of the consistent criticisms of the last two coaching staffs was that the inmates were running the asylum and he couldn't care less.

I love what he brings as a player but he is obviously a nightmare to deal with. His coaches want him there, his teammates want him there but he just doesn't care.

SmootSmack · 04-09-2010, 05:03 PM

You know what's ironic about him bashing Blache last year is that Blache was the guy who probably more than anyone pushed for the Skins to sign AH

tryfuhl · 04-09-2010, 05:05 PM

What's wrong with him saying he doesn't think that he'd be best used at nose tackle, but he'd play where they put him?

Like I've said a million times, dude didn't know what the offseason program would be, probably had it already planned and maybe paid for well in advance of all of this.

AH didn't create the story, this shouldn't even be a damn story. If he feels that he can improve more doing it the way he has before, great. Unless you're there and able to professionally evaluate him and determine that he'd be better at the park then what's the issue? Show up for a couple of weeks.. he probably already has his trainer booked, you don't just sign a guy up for that the day before then tell him wait 2 weeks.

Maybe he gives a shit about himself because he realizes that he can improve himself. Yeah it'd be great to have him there but face it, he's not. That doesn't make him a horrible guy.

04-09-2010, 02:31 PM	#136
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al" Forcing Haynesworth to play NT is not optimal. When you're paying 100 million dollars to a guy, you don't put him in a position that gives less returns JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE ****ING SAID SO. It represents a satisificing attitude, not an optimizing one. It was the same with Jason Taylor. An undersized pass rusher trying to be a "disciplined" run stuffer that can hold the point of attack? DIDN'T WORK. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

04-09-2010, 02:35 PM	#137
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al" Still trying to figure out what makes Al a "locker room cancer." If he's any type of cancer it's probably more of a "coaching staff cancer." You guys act like he's the only one in the league doing what he does. It's not like he's holding out or anything.

04-09-2010, 02:37 PM	#138
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al" This whole idea of signing all-pro players then trying to change what they do to fit your scheme is kinda stupid if you ask me. Pick a scheme, stick with it, and sign the appropriate players. If you're gonna make a change, get the right players for it first. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

04-09-2010, 02:45 PM	#140
diehard The Starter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norfolk, Va (OV) Posts: 1,566	Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al" And it was no secret that Haynesworth would not participate in voluntary off-season workouts, no matter who's coaching the team. I still wonder about the premature talk about switching to a 34 front.

04-09-2010, 03:18 PM	#143
tootergray34 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 681	Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al" I hear that the Lions want him...anybody else see this as a double edged sword...cause if we trade him to the lions...we won't be able to lang Okung...b/c I think the Lions will take him at #2...right?

04-09-2010, 03:20 PM	#144
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 2,906	Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al" *Skins NOT shopping Big AL* And the moon is made out of cheese. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

04-09-2010, 05:03 PM	#149
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al" You know what's ironic about him bashing Blache last year is that Blache was the guy who probably more than anyone pushed for the Skins to sign AH __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

04-09-2010, 05:05 PM	#150
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 41 Posts: 12,514	Re: Schefter: "Skins NOT shopping Big Al" What's wrong with him saying he doesn't think that he'd be best used at nose tackle, but he'd play where they put him? Like I've said a million times, dude didn't know what the offseason program would be, probably had it already planned and maybe paid for well in advance of all of this. AH didn't create the story, this shouldn't even be a damn story. If he feels that he can improve more doing it the way he has before, great. Unless you're there and able to professionally evaluate him and determine that he'd be better at the park then what's the issue? Show up for a couple of weeks.. he probably already has his trainer booked, you don't just sign a guy up for that the day before then tell him wait 2 weeks. Maybe he gives a shit about himself because he realizes that he can improve himself. Yeah it'd be great to have him there but face it, he's not. That doesn't make him a horrible guy.

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