HGH DR. linked to Redskins Player

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

So the consensus thing i'm hearing is that Moss is the one who used Hgh. The question now is:
A) Will he be suspended/how many games will he be suspended for?
B) do we now cut moss?

or

C) do we sign TO

A.) Rodney Harrison was suspended 4 games (for HGH), Cushing's suspension is also 4 games, so it sounds like this is the standard punishment (anyone remember how many games Merriman got?)

B.) It wouldn't surprise me if Shanahan did this.

C.) We could, although I think TO and Moss are different types of receivers.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

So the consensus thing i'm hearing is that Moss is the one who used Hgh. The question now is:
A) Will he be suspended/how many games will he be suspended for?
B) do we now cut moss?

or

C) do we sign TO

I think you're getting a little bit ahead of things

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think you're getting a little bit ahead of things

You think so? I don't. He won't be cut, but I don't see how a suspension isn't pending. If he misses a quarter of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if Shanahan looks to bring in another WR (Bobby Wade and Joey Galloway aren't doing it for me). I hope it's not TO however.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by GMScud

You think so? I don't. He won't be cut, but I don't see how a suspension isn't pending. If he misses a quarter of the season, I wouldn't be surprised if Shanahan looks to bring in another WR (Bobby Wade and Joey Galloway aren't doing it for me). I hope it's not TO however.

I definitely think it's a tad premature to assume anything at this point.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I definitely think it's a tad premature to assume anything at this point.

I think Moss being cut or TO being signed is premature, but I've got to think a suspension is coming Santana's way. He doesn't need to test positive to be suspended.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

what bothers me most about all this is that santana moss cheated and still managed to suck.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

what bothers me most about all this is that santana moss cheated and still managed to suck.

Well he took something that helped him heal, not something that helped him perform better on the field. Even if he did, our coaching staff sucked anyway.

[over the mountain]

What would they base their suspensionon?

Certainly if Santana's admission in Sept '09 was videotaped I could see the NFL suspending him.

If Santana signed a written statement admitting to it, I could see a suspension.

Unless the NFL is granted access to the prosecutors file which contains direct incriminating evidence or admissions on santana's part , I dont see how the NFL can take action right now. Although, Im sure they will after taking the necessary steps to gather evidence to support their position to suspend him and reduce his ability to earn a living.

So far, its reports and articles that santana admitted it. I think the NFL needs Santana to admit it or have trustworthy and reliable documentation evidencing that he admitted it.

[SBXVII]

I think it would all depend on how they run the test. All they have right now is a doctor coming into the USA with HGH and claiming he was going to visit Santana. It being a Federal investigation then I can see them requesting Santana to have to take whatever test needed to see if it's in is body. Now the big question is how long does it stay in the body for testing purposes and when was his last visit. Then there is also the issue that even though it might be out of his system, it might show up in a hair follicle test.

I think it boils down to how far the Feds want to go with it. Besides simply charging the Doctor for bringing it into the country.

[SmootSmack]

If the Redskins really feel they need another WR, I'd take a long look at Lance Moore. Personally, even without Moss I'd rather stick with what we have.

I don't expect Moss to get suspended this year. I think this will be a long drawn out process.

I also don't think Moss will be the only Redskin name to emerge if more names are released

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If the Redskins really feel they need another WR, I'd take a long look at Lance Moore. Personally, even without Moss I'd rather stick with what we have.

I don't expect Moss to get suspended this year. I think this will be a long drawn out process.

I also don't think Moss will be the only Redskin name to emerge if more names are released

Yep, I agree. As long as Santana keeps quiet about this, we'll be well into the season before the sh*t really hits the fan on this one.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Yep, I agree. As long as Santana keeps quiet about this, we'll be well into the season before the sh*t really hits the fan on this one.

Yeah I agree if he keeps quiet. The only problem would be is if the Feds call him in for questioning under oath. He definitely does not want to lie to them. I would also hope the Feds don't involve the NFL Commissioner until after they are completely done.

But I don't think its a detriment if he is told to sit a few games. Maybe it will give other WR's a chance to step up and show their worth even though all they have to do is wait until mid season when Moss gets another pulled hammy or groin muscle.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Yeah I agree if he keeps quiet. The only problem would be is if the Feds call him in for questioning under oath. He definitely does not want to lie to them. I would also hope the Feds don't involve the NFL Commissioner until after they are completely done.

But I don't think its a detriment if he is told to sit a few games. Maybe it will give other WR's a chance to step up and show their worth even though all they have to do is wait until mid season when Moss gets another pulled hammy or groin muscle.

Him telling the Feds the truth and having a presser 20 minutes later are two different things. I'm sure he's all lawyered up by now, so he should be aware of what he can and should be talking to them about if they, per chance, knock on his door.

In opinion this appears to be a case of a guy trying to get back on the field and not one trying to get a competitive edge.

[redskins121684]

Yeah if he is forced into a position where he has to answer questions in open court then we have to worry a la Rodney Harrison in 2007, Goodell just stuck one of his security henchmen in the court room and once Harrison testified to having purchased HGH...BOOM suspended, right now though it works in his favor that investigators have already said players are not the target here. Also one player who was in the affidavit stated that he had never "knowingly" taken HGH from Galea. Being that there is no test, and the implications of the statement I wonder if Moss could say "He treated me, I didn't know it was HGH if it was that but I was never told at any point that HGH was being used on me" then Galea testifies that it was HGH and you have conflicting accounts of what took place, that should be enough to stave off a suspension based on the fact that the player never said he used and there is no test to prove he did. Goodell can't suspend someone in good faith when there is no admission of guilt and no test to prove guilt.

Galea would be smart to plead out anyway, he can't really expect to win this case.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If the Redskins really feel they need another WR, I'd take a long look at Lance Moore. Personally, even without Moss I'd rather stick with what we have.

I don't expect Moss to get suspended this year. I think this will be a long drawn out process.

I also don't think Moss will be the only Redskin name to emerge if more names are released

Does this have anything to do with that?

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