Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[skinsguy]

Just a couple of things first. Number one, to all that say Peyton Manning will be too fragile to play, that is not the issue at all. There have already been a few doctors to say that this surgery is commonplace and Peyton is no more at risk with his health/life resuming his football career than anybody else. So, stop worrying about the neck. Number two, the only thing to be concerned with is how progressive the nerve regeneration in Peyton's arm is. Will that process continue to improve, or will Peyton hit a plateau? That is the only concern with Peyton Manning at this point.

OK, so to fast forward to choosing between Manning or Griffin. We're assuming Manning is 100% healthy enough to play and he's gotten his throwing strength and velocity and all that jazz back. The choice should be obvious - you sign Peyton Manning to the right incentive based contract that benefits both him and the team's cap situation. You keep all of your draft picks, either draft your QB of the future in this draft, or you can wait until next draft, and heck, maybe even the 2014 draft if need be. You continue to build through the draft, while being smart in getting a few key pieces in free agency - but the draft is #1 priority. Only draft RGIII if he falls to #6.

I realize a lot of you guys have been enamored by RGIII since the middle of the college season, and feel he's a no brainer pick. Heck, after seeing a couple of games, I'm hooked as well. But, truth be told, we have all waited, bitched, and moaned for the last decade about how the Redskins don't build through the draft. Yet, I'm seeing those same people suggesting that we do the exact opposite to land RGIII. Giving away multiple draft picks to sign one draft pick is not building through the draft. It's taking a HUGE gamble on an unproven commodity. I was on board earlier about doing whatever it took to get our franchise QB, and I'm not necessarily off of that bandwagon. But, looking at this from a business standpoint as well, it doesn't make a lot of good business sense to give away a bunch of draft picks for one guy. One guy that could be a huge bust. At least if Manning turned out to be a failed experiment, it doesn't set the team back nearly as much as it would if RGIII failed. HOWEVER, I say that only because the Redskins Would have an alternative from having to give up picks to land a projected franchise QB. IF the 'skins had no other options, then I'd be on board with doing whatever it takes to land RGIII. BUT, if Manning's arm continues to improve, and his arm is good enough by the time training camp rolls around, that's the option that needs to happen...even if Manning only plays for a couple more seasons.

[SBXVII]

Everyone is acting like a QB like RGIII comes along only once in a life time. Guess what they don't. Newton was one of those guys.

Another issue that has to be accounted for is are the Skins one player away from making the play offs? Cause by taking RGIII we could lose up to 3 picks this year and 2 or 3 more picks next year. So by taking RGIII your pretty much in the mind set that this team has everything else it needs on offense and RGIII is the missing piece. He will take this team to the play offs. I don't think that happens.

Another issue is will our coaching staff design and call plays to RGIII's abilities and skill set or will they force the round peg into the square hole and make him play the way they want him to play?

Then there is the issue of will he even work out in the NFL? He comes from a spread offense. How many of you here have argued every year about how spread offense QB's hardly make it in the NFL? A lot of you. He's going to have to work on taking snaps from under center and his footwork along with reading defenses and changing the play calls at the LOS. Personally I'd rather take the Wilson kid who is just as mobile for less the cost. Especially if the coaching staff is going to have to work on changing the QB's technique anyway.

The original question is stupid. The team is going to pick up a Vet QB especially if they let Beck go but definitely if they let both Beck and Grossman go. P.Manning has nothing to do with the draft and would not effect what we could, would, or can do there. If I were the Colts I'd ignore any complaints and keep Manning and draft Luck. Which is why I'm saying I'd take Manning here. I don't think he will be ready. That lets whoever we draft start. Personally Manning or not I want the team to trade back for more picks, he'll draft 2 QB's if they want to and let them battle it out in camp. I'll take 2 young healthy Rookie QB's over one RGIII who ties the clubs hands for a couple of yrs.

Trade back for a late first and a late second. Draft Weeden in round 1. Draft a WR in early round 2. Draft Wilson in late round 2.

Then start picking up the rest of the draft.

[MTK]

I'd keep the picks and sign Manning.

[hooskins]

Based on the information we have right now, Peyton may not be able to throw to his left and across his body. Assuming this is true, get RGIII. Also I highly doubt Manning, if healthy, would want to play here.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Based on the information we have right now, Peyton may not be able to throw to his left and across his body. Assuming this is true, get RGIII. Also I highly doubt Manning, if healthy, would want to play here.

Interesting that some continue to think that. Why I'm really not sure.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Interesting that some continue to think that. Why I'm really not sure.

So I haven't been on the Path in a bit and please present a counter to my points.

Why Peyton would come here:
-Shanny
-Prestige?

Why Peyton wouldn't come here:
-He would be fighting for a playoff spot against his brother twice a year
-Cold weather
-We have missing parts on the offense

Just my two cents.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by hooskins

So I haven't been on the Path in a bit and please present a counter to my points.

Why Peyton would come here:
-Shanny
-Prestige?

Why Peyton wouldn't come here:
-He would be fighting for a playoff spot against his brother twice a year
-Cold weather
-We have missing parts on the offense

Just my two cents.

I'm borrowing from Smootsmack:

Reasons for Peyton Manning to want to come here

-He respects Shanahan and knows Shanahan is an established, Super Bowl winning head coach

-Redskins have the cap flexibility to be active in free agency and the draft picks to be active in the draft

-He (supposedly) prefer the East Coast

-He enjoys the spotlight

-He's very tight with an executive in the organization

[Alvin Walton]

What if:

Manning is healthy.
The Saints cant negotiate Brees.
Brees to DC.
Manning goes to NOLA.
Archie is delighted.
Redskins and Saints in the NFC championship.


Hey, a guy can dream a little....

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm borrowing from Smootsmack:

Reasons for Peyton Manning to want to come here

-He respects Shanahan and knows Shanahan is an established, Super Bowl winning head coach

-Redskins have the cap flexibility to be active in free agency and the draft picks to be active in the draft

-He (supposedly) prefer the East Coast

-He enjoys the spotlight

-He's very tight with an executive in the organization

That last point is an interesting one which I did not know. Thanks.

To the draft point, do you think Peyton would be alright with us drafting a QB in the first or second round? I have no doubt he is a professional but drafting a QB that high would say we don't expect you to start in a year or two. IMO Peyton wants the starting nod for another three to four years.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'm borrowing from Smootsmack:

Reasons for Peyton Manning to want to come here

-He respects Shanahan and knows Shanahan is an established, Super Bowl winning head coach

-Redskins have the cap flexibility to be active in free agency and the draft picks to be active in the draft

-He (supposedly) prefer the East Coast

-He enjoys the spotlight

-He's very tight with an executive in the organization

Who?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by hooskins

So I haven't been on the Path in a bit and please present a counter to my points.

Why Peyton would come here:
-Shanny
-Prestige?

Why Peyton wouldn't come here:
-He would be fighting for a playoff spot against his brother twice a year
-Cold weather
-We have missing parts on the offense

Just my two cents.

#1- yes Shanny.
#2- yes he might like to play against his brother twice a yr. he'd get to see him.
#3- I think we are closer to a play off spot vs. any of the other teams who would want and need his services.
#4- Our team was the only team to beat the SB team twice last year.
#5- our defense is better then some would like to believe.

Maybe the Skins offer him the best chance to get to the SB out of all the teams that might still want him, and wouldn't he want to get a second ring to secure his HOF possibilities and to be able to have a second ring like his brother?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Interesting that some continue to think that. Why I'm really not sure.

Because they want to muddy the waters. They also say that the Skins are too far off to try and get a Peyton Manning who will only be here 3 yrs if at all and keeping the Skins from getting a young QB to develope who is a franchise QB.

Too far off but they want to throw 4+ picks away to get one player. A franchise player and RGIII is not a franchise player. Atleast not yet. Right now all he is is a really good college QB just like Luck.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I'd keep the picks and sign Manning.

I think this is what's going to happen

[musicmaster45]

I voted for RG3 the thing is its all about the deal. If the Rams try to trade rape us then no.... Yes i want a young quarterback and yes RG3 would be great but were not good enough to have a draft of nobody. We need another solid draft and a guy like RG3 to be relevant. I'm actually hoping for a trade down with anyone to either draft Tannehill or Weeden. Yes they won't be at good at first but we need just be patient and develop them.

[skinsfan69]

How about neither. Manning's probably done or too risky to take a chance on. To move up and get RG3 means parting with multiple draft picks. It's very simple. This team isn't winning the Super Bowl next year with either player. Keep your picks and keep having productive drafts. That's the only way this team is going to have a shot at being becoming a constant winner.