New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 03-03-2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Late hits happen in the natural course of the game, sure, but if there's extra motivation behind those hits in terms of a cash incentive, that's when there's a problem.

You really don't see what's wrong with this picture? You have no problem with bounties??

Bounty is the quilted quicker picker upper!!

MTK · 03-03-2012, 10:12 PM

Gregg Williams, Redskins played an ugly game with bounties - The Washington Post

MTK · 03-03-2012, 10:32 PM

This is getting ugly for Williams

NFL will now investigate Redskins bounty program | ProFootballTalk

mlmdub130 · 03-03-2012, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

This is getting ugly for Williams

NFL will now investigate Redskins bounty program | ProFootballTalk

i feel for him on some level, but he put himself in this situation, and the leauge has almost forced their hand based on the way they have been fining players.

smootsmack do you have any idea of when a punishment will be dealt? and any more details on what it may be?

GMScud · 03-03-2012, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

This is getting ugly for Williams

NFL will now investigate Redskins bounty program | ProFootballTalk

Yeah, it's becoming less and less likely that he'll be coaching on the Rams' staff week 1.

mlmdub130 · 03-03-2012, 10:49 PM

i feel there is no way gw was the only guy out there running a program like this. and it's not all that surprising to me that something like this would be going on. i'm sure it has gotten toned down in the past few years but it's time for it to be over with at this point in time. we now know way too much about the effects of the game on these players bodies. if the game has to be tweaked for player safety then so be it. i think the nfl's punishment will be a stiff one and should be. if they want to put a stop to this then do it, don't fine players and then let the coaches and staffs get off light.

SmootSmack · 03-03-2012, 10:52 PM

Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins

Darrell_Green_28 · 03-04-2012, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins

Yep kinda thought they would too.. wonder if the titans and jags are lying and denying anything happened when he was with them.

NFL.com news: Williams reportedly also ran 'bounty' system as Bills' head coach

GMScud · 03-04-2012, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

Yep kinda thought they would too.. wonder if the titans and jags are lying and denying anything happened when he was with them.

NFL.com news: Williams reportedly also ran 'bounty' system as Bills' head coach

Yikes!

I think skinsfan69 can pretty much put his argument to bed at this point.

"There was financial compensation," said Wire, who joined the Bills in 2002 and told the newspaper that an environment of "malicious intent" existed when he arrived.

Giantone · 03-04-2012, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins

SS,how are you so sure ?I ask becuase having been in many a locker room coachs and owners have snitchs,maybe it's an equipment guy or a ball boy or an assistant trying to move up the ladder but min the head coach had to have known.

GoSkins! · 03-04-2012, 06:40 AM

I think that the idea of the bounty program is deplorable and action must be taken to stop this from ever happening again. This starts with punishing the person/organizations involved. I still have this feeling we are on a slippery slope now.

It appears the bounty program got into high gear during the Saints run in the playoffs when people are already playing as hard as they can. That is a point when people are so hyped up they shouldn't have any incentive to hit another player harder than they already do. There is no way that can go unpunished. With that said, I'm trying to get a handle on how bad it really made things in the general course of the regular season (I'm not advocating that it should be allowed then either, just trying to establish the severity of the "crime"). It is coming out that this is a widespread action that happens throughout the NFL and I think there is a tendency when these things happen to adopt a mob mentality and start over vilifying the initially identified perpetrator. I can see how this could be common in defensive locker rooms through the NFL. I can also see how this could have started as something smaller for Williams and then blew up and got out of control with the Saints.

As an example, I always loved the way Sean Taylor went out and hit people. I never really thought of his play as dirty. Heck, I thought of it as the picture of what physical defense should look like... and he, according to other players, was taking home the bounty proceeds most of the time. I know most here on the board have the same opinion of his play (or at least many did back then).

I guess what I'm wondering is if people here on this board thought of the Redskins defense as "dirty" during Williams tenure ? If not, which teams did you/do you think of being dirty and what might you think is their incentive to play that way?

SmootSmack · 03-04-2012, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

SS,how are you so sure ?I ask becuase having been in many a locker room coachs and owners have snitchs,maybe it's an equipment guy or a ball boy or an assistant trying to move up the ladder but min the head coach had to have known.

I don't really understand your question

Giantone · 03-04-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't really understand your question

Ok, you said that you think it was only Williams in DC and no one else knew about it and while I am an admitted fan of Joe Gibbs I'm just asking why you think that noone else in the Skins organization knew this was going on,maybe not Gibbs then VC did,no way can you keep this quiet on a team with 53+ people.

SmootSmack · 03-04-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Ok, you said that you think it was only Williams in DC and no one else knew about it and while I am an admitted fan of Joe Gibbs I'm just asking why you think that noone else in the Skins organization knew this was going on,maybe not Gibbs then VC did,no way can you keep this quiet on a team with 53+ people.

I don't think that's what I said. What I said was Williams kept a lot of things from Gibbs (and they didn't have the best relationship) so it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't know. And it's not hard to keep things quiet. Teams form cliques all the time, offense vs. defense, linemen vs skill players, receivers vs running backs and so on.

There's an email paper trail all the way up to Sean Peyton in New Orleans, no evidence the same exists for the Redskins

los panda · 03-03-2012, 10:58 PM

i never broke anyone's bones on purpose. my intent was to make a tackle, that's all. i can sleep at night

after i've screamed myself to sleep

03-03-2012, 10:12 PM	#2
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03-03-2012, 10:49 PM	#6
mlmdub130 Playmaker Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Age: 43 Posts: 3,238	Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters i feel there is no way gw was the only guy out there running a program like this. and it's not all that surprising to me that something like this would be going on. i'm sure it has gotten toned down in the past few years but it's time for it to be over with at this point in time. we now know way too much about the effects of the game on these players bodies. if the game has to be tweaked for player safety then so be it. i think the nfl's punishment will be a stiff one and should be. if they want to put a stop to this then do it, don't fine players and then let the coaches and staffs get off light. __________________ "I don't think anybody should have regrets, especially me, ... You don't regret what you do in your life. If you do it, you do it for a reason." ST21

03-03-2012, 10:52 PM	#7
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters Bills might be next. At most the Redskins may face a monetary fine, if that. Saints main issue is they knew, were warned, and didn't stop it. Not the case with the Redskins __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

03-04-2012, 06:40 AM	#11
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 56 Posts: 1,587	Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters I think that the idea of the bounty program is deplorable and action must be taken to stop this from ever happening again. This starts with punishing the person/organizations involved. I still have this feeling we are on a slippery slope now. It appears the bounty program got into high gear during the Saints run in the playoffs when people are already playing as hard as they can. That is a point when people are so hyped up they shouldn't have any incentive to hit another player harder than they already do. There is no way that can go unpunished. With that said, I'm trying to get a handle on how bad it really made things in the general course of the regular season (I'm not advocating that it should be allowed then either, just trying to establish the severity of the "crime"). It is coming out that this is a widespread action that happens throughout the NFL and I think there is a tendency when these things happen to adopt a mob mentality and start over vilifying the initially identified perpetrator. I can see how this could be common in defensive locker rooms through the NFL. I can also see how this could have started as something smaller for Williams and then blew up and got out of control with the Saints. As an example, I always loved the way Sean Taylor went out and hit people. I never really thought of his play as dirty. Heck, I thought of it as the picture of what physical defense should look like... and he, according to other players, was taking home the bounty proceeds most of the time. I know most here on the board have the same opinion of his play (or at least many did back then). I guess what I'm wondering is if people here on this board thought of the Redskins defense as "dirty" during Williams tenure ? If not, which teams did you/do you think of being dirty and what might you think is their incentive to play that way? __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

03-03-2012, 10:58 PM	#15
los panda Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 5,230	Re: New Orleans Saints/Washington Redskins: Bounty Hunters i never broke anyone's bones on purpose. my intent was to make a tackle, that's all. i can sleep at night after i've screamed myself to sleep __________________ 9 21 28 33 42 43 44 49 65 81

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