Trayvon Martin Case

[Chico23231]

Joe when im following Zimmerman around with a gun and he tells me to stop, Im just gonna use the "tough shit" defense. Can I retain you?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Joe when im following Zimmerman around with a gun and he tells me to stop, Im just gonna use the "tough shit" defense. Can I retain you?

So long as you don't threaten him with physical harm, use the gun as an obvious intimidation factor, physically assault him or otherwise place him in fear of his life or limb. Sure - if he initiates the physical assault and you are injured, I'll take a piece of that action. Hell, I'll sue the crap out of him for you.

Take his picture. Make sure you have a permit, [EDIT: PRIOR TO HIM ASSAULTING YOU,] don't use or otherwise brandish the gun in any way. Also, be sure to document everything because, in MD and VA, unlike Florida, the allegation of self-defense will not prevent you from being arrested.

[RedskinRat]

That doesn't answer my question. Why does carrying a gun (using technology) make him (or anyone) a coward?

You'll find Zimmerman DID call 911.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

That doesn't answer my question. Why does carrying a gun (using technology) make him (or anyone) a coward?

You'll find Zimmerman DID call 911.

statement applied directly Zim in his situation. Apparently he is a great neighbor where everyone knows him, likes him yada yada. If you are such a person, then why is he so afraid? Because he is a coward. Also a bully, also a criminal with a history of violence...

But Rat, I dont think your a coward if you carry a gun. Its a right by every American, even if you have a criminal, violent past or you have a history of mental illness.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

statement applied directly Zim in his situation. Apparently he is a great neighbor where everyone knows him, likes him yada yada. If you are such a person, then why is he so afraid? Because he is a coward. Also a bully, also a criminal with a history of violence...

and this is not rank speculation in the least.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

and this is not rank speculation in the least.

well apparently he needed a gun he was soooo afraid.


"oh these teenagers are so dangerous these days with there skittles, ice teas, cell phones....i better get a gun. Ill piss myself if i have to have a conversation with one"

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

well apparently he needed a gun he was soooo afraid.


"oh these teenagers are so dangerous these days with there skittles, ice teas, cell phones....i better get a gun. Ill piss myself if i have to have a conversation with one"

So we've abandoned any pretence of logic, reason or rational argument?

Fair enough. <taps out>

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Its a right by every American, even if you have a criminal, violent past or you have a history of mental illness.

You can't own a firearm if you have a criminal history or a history of mental illness.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

You can't own a firearm if you have a criminal history or a history of mental illness.

Tell that to the VT shooter.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

You can't own a firearm if you have a criminal history or a history of mental illness.

well there you go...we are safe then *sigh* Seung-Hui Cho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

well there you go...we are safe then *sigh* Seung-Hui Cho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

See my above post we must thank the same.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

well there you go...we are safe then *sigh* Seung-Hui Cho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Actually the issue in his case was that his doctor or who ever never reported his case to get him on the list of people who cannot buy guns. When the back ground check was done his name came up clear.

[NC_Skins]

Here is the puzzling thing. If there is a witness that can collaborate that Martin was beating Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk, wouldn't that mean they were also witness to the shooting? Also, did that witness just sit there and do nothing? I'm amazed how so few people can act, yet they cry out if people don't help them out.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Here is the puzzling thing. If there is a witness that can collaborate that Martin was beating Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk, wouldn't that mean they were also witness to the shooting? Also, did that witness just sit there and do nothing? I'm amazed how so few people can act, yet they cry out if people don't help them out.

Well maybe the guy looked out his window, saw the beating going on, he looks away to find his phone (or perhaps walks/runs to it), and the shot is fired.

It seems to me that lots of different people seeing the altercation at different times from different perspectives. All reasonable reactions - rather than stand and watch, they find their phones and call the police. Once the shot is fired, they stay indoors and keep their heads down. Pretty much what I would do.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Here is the puzzling thing. If there is a witness that can collaborate that Martin was beating Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk, wouldn't that mean they were also witness to the shooting? Also, did that witness just sit there and do nothing? I'm amazed how so few people can act, yet they cry out if people don't help them out.

The witness after seeing the man on top of Zim. ran in to call 911 and that's when the shot was fired.