Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by mooby

I thought it was a know brainer too. Who no's where he'll end up in a few years.

Sorry for jumping into the conversation, I was just being knowsy.

[12thMan]

I'm just relaying what I saw/read.

[30gut]

A QB controversy doesn't have to acutally exsist for the perception of a controversy to exsist.

Media is media.
As soon as Cousins looks better then Griffin in any drill, any practice, and 7-on-7 never mind a preseason game media will run with it.
And that's how it will start.
That's all it takes during training camp/offseason.
But once the season starts Griffin will light it up and the controversey will be forgetten unless Griffin gets injured or struggles.

[Alvin Walton]

My knowse smelled a good deal when we grabbed Cousins.

[warriorzpath]

I personally thought it was a good draft pick for several reasons. I also thought the Redskins had one of the better drafts in-- not only 2012, but also in 2011. No one really knows until they step on the football (including the redskins).

It's all very interesting too - how this qb issue is so polaring to fans and NFL analysts alike.

[30gut]

I don't understand using our 4th round pick to address an area that can only provide benefit in the future as opposed to drafting a player that could provide benefit this season and in the future.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't understand using our 4th round pick to address an area that can only provide benefit in the future as opposed to drafting a player that could provide benefit this season and in the future.

There's a couple of ways just off the top of my head that it helps for this season - he immediately brings in some insight that Rex Grossman and John Beck couldn't provide at the qb position. And he definitely provides much more confidence and depth at the the qb spot.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

There's a couple of ways just off the top of my head that it helps for this season - he immediately brings in some insight that Rex Grossman and John Beck couldn't provide at the qb position. And he definitely provides much more confidence and depth at the the qb spot.

I'm not sure what you mean by insight, but Grossman undoubtedly knows the offense better then Cousins.
And maybe Cousins does bring more confidence, I'm hoping he can win the back-up spot outright and become the back-up as a rookie like Tyrod Taylor did last year.

But, I'm refering to actual on the field contributions either through offense, defense or special teams as a rotational or depth player.

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I'm not sure what you mean by insight, but Grossman undoubtedly knows the offense better then Cousins.
And maybe Cousins does bring more confidence, I'm hoping he can win the back-up spot outright and become the back-up as a rookie like Tyrod Taylor did last year.

But, I'm refering to actual on the field contributions either through offense, defense or special teams as a rotational or depth player.

Going by the analysis by the ESPN experts, one insight that he provides that Grossman doesn't is progressions. And he also reportedly is the type that speaks up to help and contribute to the team. This will all help on the field and the team as soon as he starts working with the team.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Going by the analysis by the ESPN experts, one insight that he provides that Grossman doesn't is progressions. And he also reportedly is the type that speaks up to help and contribute to the team. This will all help on the field and the team as soon as he starts working with the team.

I'm not sure what they said on ESPN but I disagree that Cousin provides more insight on pass progressions he hasn't even run compared to Rex who's been in the is offense for 3 years. (this is coming from someone that loathes Wrecks mind you)
Also, Griffin is the QB leader of this team.
I'm not saying Cousins isn't a leader but his leadership only matters when he's undercenter, the 3rd string QB isn't a leader.

And again, I was refering to actual on the field contributions.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't understand using our 4th round pick to address an area that can only provide benefit in the future as opposed to drafting a player that could provide benefit this season and in the future.

Aren't most fourth round picks considered developmental for the future instead of likely present contributors?

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Aren't most fourth round picks considered developmental for the future instead of likely present contributors?

Yes, but that doesn't mean they can't provide rookie year impact through offense, defense or special teams as rotational or depth players ala Perry Riley, Helu, Royster, Maurice Hurt, Chris Nield etc..

[warriorzpath]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Aren't most fourth round picks considered developmental for the future instead of likely present contributors?

Yeah, it was kind of funny to me how Tedy Bruschi is arguing that this was a luxury pick up because 4th rounders are usually for contributors at Special Teams and depth. And for team like the Redskins, they can't afford to use that pick for a qb. I'll give him the Special Teams contribution, but doesn't Cousins provide depth at the most important position - which solidifies the quarterback position for the redskins, a position that was arguably the weakest?

Then Bruschi turns around and praises the eagles for picking up depth at the qb position with Nick Foles... I don't get it. I guess it's a luxury that an 8-8 team can afford and not a 5-11 team that could have easily won 3 more games if the qb play was better.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Yeah, it was kind of funny to me how Tedy Bruschi is arguing that this was a luxury pick up because 4th rounders are usually for contributors at Special Teams and depth. And for team like the Redskins, they can't afford to use that pick for a qb. I'll give him the Special Teams contribution, but doesn't Cousins provide depth at the most important position - which solidifies the quarterback position for the redskins, a position that was arguably the weakest?

Then Bruschi turns around and praises the eagles for picking up depth at the qb position with Nick Foles... I don't get it. I guess it's a luxury that an 8-8 team can afford and not a 5-11 team that could have easily won 3 more games if the qb play was better.

Plus Foles was a 3rd rd pick.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Yeah, it was kind of funny to me how Tedy Bruschi is arguing that this was a luxury pick up because 4th rounders are usually for contributors at Special Teams and depth. And for team like the Redskins, they can't afford to use that pick for a qb. I'll give him the Special Teams contribution, but doesn't Cousins provide depth at the most important position - which solidifies the quarterback position for the redskins, a position that was arguably the weakest?

Then Bruschi turns around and praises the eagles for picking up depth at the qb position with Nick Foles... I don't get it. I guess it's a luxury that an 8-8 team can afford and not a 5-11 team that could have easily won 3 more games if the qb play was better.

Quite frankly, I think the majority of fans and media still are unconsciously operating under the schema that the Redskins can't do anything right. Hence, they pick out the negatives of our moves. Until we show them A LOT otherwise, this is the treatment we'll get.

And I remember they were pimping the Eagles' pick of Macho Harris and well, we know how that turned out in the end.