Raheem Morris

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by RGIII

Williams should've been thinking in that situation, "I can't allow my slow ass to get burned in this situation so, let me back the **** up".

The playcall by Haslett determines whether you are 10 or 25 yards off the line of scrimmage. Nobody is arguing that Williams made a bad read which got him in a position to get burned. I am saying that in that part of the game you dont call for a package that even makes that possible.


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[Deivybaby]

I got a question if Raheem Morris is gonna be our new DC why would he do a 3-4 D when he was more of a 4-3 tampa 2 coach?. We are just fooling our selves we would be in our 4th year with an inexperienced HC that would come into a new season with a unfamiliar system. I think we should go back to the 4-3 or hope a young hungry 3-4 DC is around Im still hoping Rex Ryan gets fired so we can go ahead and hire him.


But my advice to shanny is to be smart and not put his ego into this. It will get him fired not for the offense but the defensive mistakes hes done to this team and in Denver.

[REDSKINS4ever]

There' been plays like that before. Does everyone remember the Monday Night Miracle in Dallas were Santana Moss got behind Roy Williams not once but twice? Madieu Williams seemed like he just froze or something and Cruz flew past him. You can't do that. Now Mike Shanahan is trying to downplay it in the media.

Cruz was the Giants most dangerous receiver. He's had receptions of 99 and 80 yards in his career. He even had over 1,500 yards receiving last year. How does the defense allow that to happen? I'm willing to forgive Williams and overlook his blunder only because he got a pick 6 against the Vikings.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

There' been plays like that before. Does everyone remember the Monday Night Miracle in Dallas were Santana Moss got behind Roy Williams not once but twice? Madieu Williams seemed like he just froze or something and Cruz flew past him. You can't do that. Now Mike Shanahan is trying to downplay it in the media.

Cruz was the Giants most dangerous receiver. He's had receptions of 99 and 80 yards in his career. He even had over 1,500 yards receiving last year. How does the defense allow that to happen? I'm willing to forgive Williams and overlook his blunder only because he got a pick 6 against the Vikings.

Didn't you kinda answer your own question? This was not a rookie with no talent. Cruz/Manning is a combination that is deadly in the closing minutes.

[Swarley]

You don't overlook them but keeping the Giants from scoring a TD with a little over a minute left would have never been a miracle. The defense helped bail the offense out of some of those mistakes but when they had to get just one more stop they folded like it was nothing.

btw just saw Mangini talk on Sportsnation about the Cruz TD and he said that the play call was the right one but Williams has to be able to recognize where Cruz is taking his route and pick up speed, not squat on the route. I'm sure most of us could already tell that was the issue but I thought people would be interested to know what Mangini said.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Swarley

You don't overlook them but keeping the Giants from scoring a TD with a little over a minute left would have never been a miracle. The defense helped bail the offense out of some of those mistakes but when they had to get just one more stop they folded like it was nothing.

btw just saw Mangini talk on Sportsnation about the Cruz TD and he said that the play call was the right one but Williams has to be able to recognize where Cruz is taking his route and pick up speed, not squat on the route. I'm sure most of us could already tell that was the issue but I thought people would be interested to know what Mangini said.

Agreed, Williams is not a rookie, he needs to be able to recognize things like that.

[Swarley]

You would also think he would have the fact that they need a TD to win in the back of his mind. Knowing that, he's better off erring on the side of caution and maybe playing a bit deeper no matter what Cruz does. If the route comes back inside then at least he can make a tackle and it's likely not a TD.

[RGIII]

Sean Taylor would've shut that play down no matter where he was lined up.

[JoeRedskin]

From Keim on the concept of jamming at the line:

CB Josh Wilson. Can’t completely blame him for the Cruz touchdown because the safety didn’t do his job. But Wilson was involved in the play. No, he did not jam Cruz on the play. I’ve talked often to Wilson about when he jams and when he doesn’t and there are some players who are tough to do that against. I remember seeing one time where he re-routed Cruz, but he did not attempt to jam him any other time. It’s usually up to the corner to decide when to jam or not – not all are comfortable doing this. Perhaps this is a play he should have gotten his hands on him a little. Anyway, on this play he wanted to shade him inside and get underneath. He did so.

Redskins vs. Giants: Studs and Duds (defense) | WashingtonExaminer.com

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

From Keim on the concept of jamming at the line:



Redskins vs. Giants: Studs and Duds (defense) | WashingtonExaminer.com

I would just give up man. I explained to the people on this forum that it's not always Haslett, and what happen on that play and many others.. Now "insiders" and such are starting to post the same thing, and write about what happen. People won't listen.. Some people need someone to hatchet.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mlmdub130

so they should play defense expecting to get beaten?? thats some odd logic. at the end of the day it always comes down to raw ability and talent. right now we dont have that at our safties positions.

the biggest mistake i see our secondary making is not bumping anyone on the line. if you are playing cover 2 with a safety deep, then the db should be on the line jamming the crap out of the wr to throw off the timing of the route. and that in my opinion is a coaching issue, and still don't understand why it hasn't been more talked about.

No - you play a defense that at all costs doesnt allow you to give up 7. Prevent.


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[rypper11]

Originally Posted by punch it in

No - you play a defense that at all costs doesnt allow you to give up 7. Prevent.


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Completely agree. Though, when Haslett does so and Eli eats up the 10 yd ins and comebacks giving up the FG with time running out and the Giants win in OT every fan wants him fired for playing "prevent the win" defense. How does he win in the court of public opinion? He's an above average (B student) defense coordinator but every fan knows more. Now Morris, who many wanted to replace Haslett, is the goat. Ouch.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by rypper11

Completely agree. Though, when Haslett does so and Eli eats up the 10 yd ins and comebacks giving up the FG with time running out and the Giants win in OT every fan wants him fired for playing "prevent the win" defense. How does he win in the court of public opinion? He's an above average (B student) defense coordinator but every fan knows more. Now Morris, who many wanted to replace Haslett, is the goat. Ouch.

There's a middle ground there. One can play regular defense rather than prevent so that it is harder for Eli to get the field goal. But you still make sure that the safeties take a step or two back pre-snap so that it is harder to beat them with, say, a 77 yard winning TD.

[Swarley]

Originally Posted by Lotus

There's a middle ground there. One can play regular defense rather than prevent so that it is harder for Eli to get the field goal. But you still make sure that the safeties take a step or two back pre-snap so that it is harder to beat them with, say, a 77 yard winning TD.

^ This!!!!!!!!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

No - you play a defense that at all costs doesnt allow you to give up 7. Prevent.


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They had over a minute, 3 time outs, could use the middle of the field, and the whole length. Some offenses you can play prevent and know that they won't get in. Sorry the Giant's with Eli have an amazing 2 minute drill, and prevent simply does not seem to me that it would have worked better. I guarantee a part of it was that our players were looking for a turnover, jumping a short route, and got caught guessing wrong.

It's Wednesday, can we close this thread and turn the page?