Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree Angry that Sanchez isnt a good leader but IMO its the HC's job to help him develop into one and I just dont think Rex is a good role model for teaching and developing leadership.

That's a good point.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Angry

Lat one

1) He didn't win those Superbowls until after his 5th season (They wanted to fire him too)

2) Norv Turner inherited a stacked and consistent Playoff team led by Phillip Rivers. Rex inherited a team that missed the playoffs and had no QB.

3) I think you missed the argument there. They respected the coach but he allowed them to act out. Watch ESPN's 30 for 30 "The U". Many coaches had an "Us against the world" attitude and it works.

4) The GM is responsible for his own actions.

5) Brett Favre and that team went 9-7 finished 3rd in the division and missed the playoffs.

1) They won a superbowl in his 4th year, not his 5th and they didn't want him fired until last year.

2) "Rex inherited a team that missed the playoffs and had no QB." And this is his fourth season and what are the Jets... A team that missed the playoffs that still has no QB. He hasn't done anything to improve the team.

3) Johnson still had control of the team. Ryan does not, that locker room was split last year because the players had lost respect for Ryan, the problem was the Ryan made it obvious that Sanchez was above the team, he hitched his wagon to Sanchez and wanted Sanchez to be a leader he was not and never will be. He made Sanchez above the team and because of this he lost the locker room which is an obvious weakness in leadership.

4) The GM is responsible, but so is the coach. I do not like either and do feel the Jets should start over in the front office and their coaching staff, but look at the players tannenbaum brought in while Mangini was the coach... Fergurson, Mangold, Leon Washington, Eric Smith, Brad Smith, Revis, D. Harris, and Keller... who has Ryan brought in with the same gm? All their impact players were brought in during the Mangini era even though it was the same GM.

5) I said they missed the playoffs but the reason they missed the playoffs is because Brett Favre got injured and they lost 4 out of their final five games after he got injured (8-3 with him healthy). I believe it was later revealed that he had a torn bicep and the league fined the Jets for it if I remember correctly.

The point is Rex Ryan deserves blame too. He is not the worst coach in the league but if he gets fired he deserves to be fired. He decided to ride with Sanchez and now it might cost him his job. And if it does he deserves to be fired for being dumb enough to ride with a QB like Sanchez.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I watched a press conference today with Rex Ryan trying to explain why he went with McElroy as the starter for this week. He sounded like he had no confidence in his decision and generally came accross as a bumbling idiot. He doesn't strike me as head coach material.

[SouperMeister]

Joe Gibbs once said that the most important player on your team is the quarterback, and the 2nd most important is the backup QB. Now that we finally have those roles competently filled, we shouldn't look to trade Cousins unless someone offers a first round pick. Anything less shouldn't be considered.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Joe Gibbs once said that the most important player on your team is the quarterback, and the 2nd most important is the backup QB. Now that we finally have those roles competently filled, we shouldn't look to trade Cousins unless someone offers a first round pick. Anything less shouldn't be considered.

I'm actually relieved about what Mike Shahanan said about not trading Cousins. But Shanahan says a lot of things to get people to thinking one thing when he intends to do another.....but if he says Cousins won't be traded then you have to take him at his word.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by donofriose

1) They won a superbowl in his 4th year, not his 5th and they didn't want him fired until last year.

2) "Rex inherited a team that missed the playoffs and had no QB." And this is his fourth season and what are the Jets... A team that missed the playoffs that still has no QB. He hasn't done anything to improve the team.

3) Johnson still had control of the team. Ryan does not, that locker room was split last year because the players had lost respect for Ryan, the problem was the Ryan made it obvious that Sanchez was above the team, he hitched his wagon to Sanchez and wanted Sanchez to be a leader he was not and never will be. He made Sanchez above the team and because of this he lost the locker room which is an obvious weakness in leadership.

4) The GM is responsible, but so is the coach. I do not like either and do feel the Jets should start over in the front office and their coaching staff, but look at the players tannenbaum brought in while Mangini was the coach... Fergurson, Mangold, Leon Washington, Eric Smith, Brad Smith, Revis, D. Harris, and Keller... who has Ryan brought in with the same gm? All their impact players were brought in during the Mangini era even though it was the same GM.

5) I said they missed the playoffs but the reason they missed the playoffs is because Brett Favre got injured and they lost 4 out of their final five games after he got injured (8-3 with him healthy). I believe it was later revealed that he had a torn bicep and the league fined the Jets for it if I remember correctly.

The point is Rex Ryan deserves blame too. He is not the worst coach in the league but if he gets fired he deserves to be fired. He decided to ride with Sanchez and now it might cost him his job. And if it does he deserves to be fired for being dumb enough to ride with a QB like Sanchez.

1) Thank you for correcting my stat about winning after his fifth year. You are correct he won in his 4th. The fans did want Coughlin fired after going 8-8 in his third season and before they exploded on their SB run in the 4th. Remember, their game against us was the turning point that season.

2) Your right, but who's responsible for drafting Sanchez? Scouts, critics, and Pete Carol didn't believe that Sanchez was ready for the NFL. The Jets took a shot at him anyway. Is that on the coach or the GM?

Arguing points 3-5 can go back and forth all day. There is too much speculation involved. I will not change your mind and you definately will not change mine.

I say that Rex has earned at least one more year with a new QB. You believe that they should blow it up now. Ultimately it's not our call. One thing is for sure, Cousins will not be the QB if Rex does get another shot. Good Day!

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Joe Gibbs once said that the most important player on your team is the quarterback, and the 2nd most important is the backup QB. Now that we finally have those roles competently filled, we shouldn't look to trade Cousins unless someone offers a first round pick. Anything less shouldn't be considered.

...words from the wise.

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I would not pay a CB 15 mil/yr which is exactly the type of money he's wanting in a extension. Add that to the fact he just tore a ACL and you can forget it.

Hes a lockdown corner. And hell be back up to full speed he hasnt even played his peak season yet in my opinion.

Cousins & some solid change for Rev and Picks is a bold move but i like it.

[GWinSkins83]

Originally Posted by Skins4L

Hes a lockdown corner. And hell be back up to full speed he hasnt even played his peak season yet in my opinion.

Cousins & some solid change for Rev and Picks is a bold move but i like it.

Exactly and you can ask Revis to take a good deal. Say 10 to 12 million. Also ask D Hall to reconstuct his deal. Then give T Will an extension for 9 mill a year. But to think to have Revis, DHall, Wilson, Minnifield, and Crawford makes our CBs a strength on defense. Also if Xavier Rhodes or Amerson drops to that 2nd round pick you could have a potential shutdown CB that you can bring along slowly. And still able to get either a starting RT or Safety with the second 2nd round pick. You put a solid to great defense in the equation and we would have this division wrapped up already. I also feel Mike and Kyle can groom a young QB with good talent and great work ethic. Say we could get Nassib from Syracuse.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

YEAAAHH !! EXACTLY !! ... Wait ? ... Didn't that kinda just happen last week ???

Seems like a lot of people are ready to say cousins is going to be a top notch player in the league and will always be able to step in when needed if we keep him. Consider me the minority on this one, but the league has been full of players that looked good in a small sample size. I'm not sure his trade value will ever be higher than it is right now even if he does turn into a decent player.

I would trade him if we could get a pick in the top 45 or a borderline probowl player.

[VegasSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by VegasSkinsFan

Seems like a lot of people are ready to say cousins is going to be a top notch player in the league and will always be able to step in when needed if we keep him. Consider me the minority on this one, but the league has been full of players that looked good in a small sample size. I'm not sure his trade value will ever be higher than it is right now even if he does turn into a decent player.

I would trade him if we could get a pick in the top 45 or a borderline probowl player.

And to clarify, I do think cousins will be a good player in the league.

[Dirtbag59]

NFL's 5 best trade chips
Kirk Cousins, others could bring solid returns in an offseason deal
Updated: December 21, 2012, 1:32 PM ET
By Chris Sprow | ESPN Insider


Kirk Cousins


Cousins
Why you shop him: It's absolutely fair to say Cousins means plenty to the Redskins. RG III has more carries (112) than any other NFL QB, five more than Cam Newton, and in one fewer game. He's had two scares this season, and his health will be a concern going forward. But an evaluator who has worked with Cousins told me, "He could start for four to five teams now, and that number will grow." The Redskins know it, and will have to test the market given two factors. One, a healthy RG III means a Redskins team that is ready now to challenge deep into the playoffs -- if they can fill holes. But the trade to get RG III gutted future drafts and they need picks to fill those holes, particularly in the secondary. Two, the need for a starter is about to shrink -- five rookie QBs are starting and playing well, reducing the market significantly from where it was 10 months ago. If Arizona, the Jets and Kansas City find solutions at QB for 2013, the Redskins' current leverage is gutted. Third, Mike Shanahan's system can be run effectively by a veteran backup in spurts when needed, one the Redskins hope they don't need. Cousins isn't required.


What makes sense: We suspected Cousins was a play for future trade value to recoup picks when he was picked. Given where the Redskins are, with the playoffs in sight and Cousins' stock soaring, could that plan have gone better? They need to listen, and aim for a deal built around a second-round pick. Maybe two of them.

Fit: The Jets or Chiefs make sense.

[skinsfaninok]

Sorry but I don't want to trade kc this offseason but hey if they offer a 2nd I guess we have to

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Angry

Nowhere have I ignored the personnel issue. I am stating that it does not fall on the coach. You referenced Cerato, Vinny and the Redskins. Even you did not state Gibbs, Zorn or any plethora of coaches during that term. It is not a coaching problem. He is working with what he has been given. You only mentioned the backs and recievers that are not injured. Did Rex go all Tanya Harding on his starters?

Rex Ryan has a winning record after 4 season and has been to the AFC Championship game twice. His numbers do not warrant a coaching change for at least another season. I agree that there are personnel issues and that his team seems to be on the decline, but I believe that he can turn it around with an equally talented, but more mature QB.

The problem is the GM and the QB, not Rex. I am at an impasse and will not respond on this subject any further.

But I will. Much of the problem is the GM. Rex did great with his coaching style at the beginning. But like I said, reckless only works if you are winning. When you start to lose those "loose cannons" cause locker room issues. Rex even was quoted as saying he didn't have a great feel for his own locker room. You can't tell me that his approach has been effective the last two years. His three ring quarterback circus has been a joke.

Tebow been active all year.
McElroy been inactive.
Sanchez plays bad. (again, and again, and…)
Bench Sanchez.
Tebow inactive.
McElroy plays from third string.
Sanchez back in next game.
Gets benched again.
Skip over Tebow.
McElroy starts.
Tebow wants to be cut or traded.
Sanchez trade rumors swirl, but his contract will probably keep him there next year.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

But I will. Much of the problem is the GM. Rex did great with his coaching style at the beginning. But like I said, reckless only works if you are winning. When you start to lose those "loose cannons" cause locker room issues. Rex even was quoted as saying he didn't have a great feel for his own locker room. You can't tell me that his approach has been effective the last two years. His three ring quarterback circus has been a joke.

Tebow been active all year.
McElroy been inactive.
Sanchez plays bad. (again, and again, and…)
Bench Sanchez.
Tebow inactive.
McElroy plays from third string.
Sanchez back in next game.
Gets benched again.
Skip over Tebow.
McElroy starts.
Tebow wants to be cut or traded.
Sanchez trade rumors swirl, but his contract will probably keep him there next year.

Dude, who are you trying to convince, me or yourself? I am not budging. Right now it seems as if the both of us are only responding in order to get the last word in. Truth be told; I don't care. It's the stinking Jets! You are this close to being the first on my ignor list. Unless your next response is "I agree to disagree" then you're there. I will allow you to get the last word, but please just agree to disagree and move on. This is admittedly probably one of this silliest arguments I have been in on this board. I frankly am ashamed of myself for letting it go this far. For the love of all that is going right for the Skins this season just let it go.

You make some valid points, but they are not enough for me to say "fire Rex!". Got it?