Jay Gruden hired as head coach of the Redskins

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

I think he can be blamed as much as Shanny. His D gave up so many points so quick it would have been hard for any offense to keep up.

While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.

And some good Linebackers to cover TEs. We can't keep doing this converted DEs forever. We'll need solid LBs that can over the likes Witten and Graham.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.

True but the same can be argued for the O. If the Shannys had more than 1 threat at WR, more talent on O line, and a healthy QB at the beginning of the season they'd have had much more success.

According to the article in Sunday's WaPo DS also likes exciting D soI suspect I likes Haslett and from what that article says being liked by the owner (no matter how you perform) is paramount at the Park.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.

Ill just settle for a Linebackers, Safeties and Corners (J Wilson, Biggers) who can tackle

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

While true, you have to go deeper. Why did he give up all those points?

If you think the reasons why can be fixed, then he's not the primary problem with the defense.

I don't think Haslett is a superstar D coordinator but he's strong enough. I like an attacking turnover inducing style. Dude just really needs some speed at safety and he'll have a fighting chance.

Shanny let Landry walk, handed him Brandon Meriweather and was like, "dude, make this work please."

I agree with the masses who wanted a fresh start, but Haslett isn't getting multiple additional years to prove it was all Shanahan's fault. He's basically going to get one.

[Gary84Clark]

[quote=irish;1054353]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Honestly how much can we really blame Haslett. The fact that he was able to do what he did when we won the division in 2012 was nothing short of remarkable, he had no talent to work with. He's shown he can coach defense, $36 million in cap space should help h

I think he can be blamed as much as Shanny. His D gave up so many points so quick it would have been hard for any offense to keep up.

Wow I thought supplanting Kirk cousins for RG3 was the answer.

[irish]

No surprise, he's family friends with the inner circle and that's much needed at Redskins Park.

I wish him tons of luck and multiple Super Bowl wins.

[FRPLG]

Hey, at the very least we dodged the Billick/Gruden(Jon)/Cowher bullet. That's a win in my book.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Hey, at the very least we dodged the Billick/Gruden(Jon)/Cowher bullet. That's a win in my book.

Excellent point.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Hey, at the very least we dodged the Billick/Gruden(Jon)/Cowher bullet. That's a win in my book.

We just ended that experiment with Shanahan.

I don't see Cowher and Gruden ever coming back, they're making money doing next-to-nothing compared to a head coach and they're comfortable and happy in their new jobs. Billick...I don't think there's a market open for him any more.


If they were candidates:
*Cowher has been out of the game a long time. You also have to consider he coached for a solid organization who supports their coaches long-term. Pittsburgh is a job that's tough to screw up, so his past level of success may not come anywhere else.

*Gruden, was in the right place at the right time a few times. He was good at taking a solid team and getting them over the hump, but we need someone who can rebuild us INTO a solid team. He doesn't have that on his resume. His first year with the Raiders was 8-8 and his debut in TB went 12-4. He would have to work a bit harder for that immediate success here. He was 38-26 in OAKLAND...and in the previous 10 years before he took over there, the Raiders finished under 7-9 only ONE time. They were still respectable then. Tampa Bay...Dungy built that team for him.

*Billlick impressively won the Super Bowl without a QB but he also had a dominant defense. Aside from a few good years in Baltimore, his coaching record is nothing special. Also, a young Randy Moss can make any OC look good. Out of the game since 2007, I think his time has passed.


So I'm saying, the big names are not the ones we needed to pursue. They won Super Bowls, but they were also in very different situations than where we are now. We just tried the "hire a SB-winning coach" route and it failed miserably.

I like the new approach.

[JWsleep]

A sober hire--so different from our usual drunk dialing. It's either: Shanny- He's so hot I gotta have him. Or: Zorn is the only one left in the bar...

Haslett is a tough call, but it's hard to deny that talent was sorely lacking and Shanny was meddling. If Haz really wanted to run a 4-3 and Shanny said no, then wow.

My guess is that Haz stays because of the TB connections. It's a bit like the Florida Blues Brothers: we're getting the TB band back together!

Glad to have moved forward. (Why do I only feel happy in the off season with this team?!?!?)

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

A sober hire--so different from our usual drunk dialing. It's either: Shanny- He's so hot I gotta have him. Or: Zorn is the only one left in the bar...Haslett is a tough call, but it's hard to deny that talent was sorely lacking and Shanny was meddling. If Haz really wanted to run a 4-3 and Shanny said no, then wow.

My guess is that Haz stays because of the TB connections. It's a bit like the Florida Blues Brothers: we're getting the TB band back together!

Glad to have moved forward. (Why do I only feel happy in the off season with this team?!?!?)

lol brillant

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

A sober hire--so different from our usual drunk dialing. It's either: Shanny- He's so hot I gotta have him. Or: Zorn is the only one left in the bar...

Haslett is a tough call, but it's hard to deny that talent was sorely lacking and Shanny was meddling. If Haz really wanted to run a 4-3 and Shanny said no, then wow.

My guess is that Haz stays because of the TB connections. It's a bit like the Florida Blues Brothers: we're getting the TB band back together!

Glad to have moved forward. (Why do I only feel happy in the off season with this team?!?!?)

Beer goggles. You only wake up once the regular season starts.

[JWsleep]

PS It's going to take time to build the roster. There's just no escaping that. And please build from the inside out and get some real talent in the trenches!

[davy]

Same old crap, Gruden was already pencilled in as head coach before the season ended and the interviews were purely for show.

Hate it.