Super Bowl Gameday Thread

[calia]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

People in Northern CA are happy cause Seattle lost and the local boys made good. Brady from San Mateo and Julian Edelman from Redwood City.

Yes we sure are. I HOPE Brady sends a "You mad bro?" tweet to Sherman.

If I am Pete Carroll, I'd be looking over my shoulder to make sure lynch isn't lurking. Man. Dumb. He owned it in the post game so I give him credit for that.


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[calia]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Just stop dude. You obviously hate Brady. Youre not the only one. Not sure what else the guy can do though. Nobody said Brady did this all by himself. Neither did Montana or Bradshaw they were surrounded by HOF'ers. If you want to make the argument that its a team sport thats fine. You want to say the D played great or Edelman or Gronk played great than go ahead. But as far as the QB position goes Brady is as good as it gets.

This. The guys has 4 rings, Super Bowl MvP 3 times, and has never had the surrounding cast that many other championship teams have had. He has had good solid teams and a coach that gets guys to overachieve, but to not give Brady any credit seems insane. Anyone want to trade our QB situation for the last 15 years for New England's?


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[punch it in]

^ pretty effing please with sugar on top

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Just stop dude. You obviously hate Brady. Youre not the only one. Not sure what else the guy can do though. Nobody said Brady did this all by himself. Neither did Montana or Bradshaw they were surrounded by HOF'ers. If you want to make the argument that its a team sport thats fine. You want to say the D played great or Edelman or Gronk played great than go ahead. But as far as the QB position goes Brady is as good as it gets.

I don't hate Brady. I think he's one of the top 5 QBs of all time. Does that sound like fucking hate to you? What I"m sick and tired of is all these "Tom's never had the talent around him...blah..blah..blah" bullshit. I'm sick and tired of you nut riders giving the guy more credit than what he (or any QB deserves) Even New England fans understand and grasp this, but you guys can't?

Not even mentioning the fact he's with the 2nd best coach of all time. It's not Belichick just "coaching" these guys to play better than what they are. It's talented individuals that do the job week after week. You think Vince Wilfork is just playing above his level? You think Chandler Jones is some scrub that is motivated by BB? McCourty? Revis? Mayo? Hightower? I can go on down the list and most of these guys would replace ANYBODY on our squad. There is talent beyond Tom, you just refuse to recognize it and give them their proper credit. Who exactly is BB getting to "overachieve" on that team?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I don't hate Brady. I think he's one of the top 5 QBs of all time. Does that sound like fucking hate to you? What I"m sick and tired of is all these "Tom's never had the talent around him...blah..blah..blah" bullshit. I'm sick and tired of you nut riders giving the guy more credit than what he (or any QB deserves) Even New England fans understand and grasp this, but you guys can't?



Not even mentioning the fact he's with the 2nd best coach of all time. It's not Belichick just "coaching" these guys to play better than what they are. It's talented individuals that do the job week after week. You think Vince Wilfork is just playing above his level? You think Chandler Jones is some scrub that is motivated by BB? McCourty? Revis? Mayo? Hightower? I can go on down the list and most of these guys would replace ANYBODY on our squad. There is talent beyond Tom, you just refuse to recognize it and give them their proper credit.

You mad Bro?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

You mad Bro?

No. Just sick of idiots not recognizing or understanding team sports.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

No. Just sick of idiots not recognizing or understanding team sports.

Who the hell is saying that Tom Brady is the only reason the Patriots won this game? Who? Nobody. You just keep talking about how lucky he has been his whole career. You are talking about how Russell fucking Wilson and his 12 completions - who by the way - is surrounded by much more talent than Brady - outplayed him?!?!? On top of that - we are the idiots?
You funny.

[punch it in]

Calia said that he has never had the talent around him that other championship teams have had. That is a far cry from "toms never had talent around him". Niners, cowboys, steelers - those championship teams make toms talent look stupid. Than you go and say that Tom has talent that could replace anyone on the Redskins roster????!!!??? That is supposed to be impressive? Pass whatever you got on over here. It must be really good shit.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Who the hell is saying that Tom Brady is the only reason the Patriots won this game? Who? Nobody. You just keep talking about how lucky he has been his whole career. You are talking about how Russell fucking Wilson and his 12 completions - who by the way - is surrounded by much more talent than Brady - outplayed him?!?!? On top of that - we are the idiots?
You funny.

I've said a lot of luck is involved with winning super bowls, not that Tom is lucky his whole career. Somebody pointed out 2 "miracles" or he would have had those other games, and I pointed out the other games where they did have miracles to win them. That shit works both ways. You can't say Tom didn't win X games because of Y miracle plays...and totally ignore the miracle plays that got them wins.

Wilson outplayed Tom tonight, but that doesn't mean he's a better QB. More talent around him? Not on offense he doesn't. Defensively he might. Special teams favor New England.


If you can't grasp that you guys give QBs way too much credit and it's a team sport, than yes you are idiots.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I've said a lot of luck is involved with winning super bowls, not that Tom is lucky his whole career. Somebody pointed out 2 "miracles" or he would have had those other games, and I pointed out the other games where they did have miracles to win them. That shit works both ways. You can't say Tom didn't win X games because of Y miracle plays...and totally ignore the miracle plays that got them wins.



Wilson outplayed Tom tonight, but that doesn't mean he's a better QB. More talent around him? Not on offense he doesn't. Defensively he might. Special teams favor New England.





If you can't grasp that you guys give QBs way too much credit and it's a team sport, than yes you are idiots.

Not on offense he doesnt? Are we including the run game as part of the offense because they arent even close! Are we including offensive line as part of the offense because they arent even close!
Defense he might????????
What?
Please just stop.
Ill tell you what Ill stop because now you just sound silly and i feel responsible. So go on get yourself a last ditch attempt to make whatever point you are trying to make. I probably wont read it, but i promise i wont reply anymore. You win. LMAO

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Not on offense he doesnt? Are we including the run game as part of the offense because they arent even close! Are we including offensive line as part of the offense because they arent even close!
Defense he might????????
What?
Please just stop.
Ill tell you what Ill stop because now you just sound silly and i feel responsible. So go on get yourself a last ditch attempt to make whatever point you are trying to make. I probably wont read it, but i promise i wont reply anymore. You win. LMAO

You talk out of your ass and have no clue what you are even saying.


Tackles
First team: Tyron Smith, Dallas, 35; Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 22.
Second team: Andrew Whitworth, Cincinnati, 14; Jason Peters, Philadelphia, 12.
Others receiving votes: Ryan Clady, Denver, 4; Sebastian Vollmer, New England, 3


Guards
First team: Marshal Yanda, Baltimore, 38; Zack Martin, Dallas, 24.
Second team: Josh Sitton, Green Bay, 22; Kyle Long, Chicago, 5.
Others receiving votes: Mike Iupati, San Francisco, 4; Evan Mathis, Philadelphia, 2; Jahri Evans, New Orleans, 2; Joel Bitonio, Cleveland, 1; Dan Connolly, New England, 1; James Carpenter, Seattle, 1.




Tight end
First team: Rob Gronkowski, New England, 50.


Placekicker
First team: Adam Vinatieri, Indianapolis, 25.
Second team: Stephen Gostkowski, New England, 21.


New England had more votes for all-pros along their OL than did Seattle. They had a unanimous TE voted in as all-pro. New England's WRs are superior to Seattle's. (Lafell, Edelmann, Amendola > Lockett, Matthews, Kearse) The only thing superior on Seattle's offense is their RB.

Like I said, Tom has more talent around him offensively than does Wilson, but Wilson has better talent around him defensively.

Special teams go to New England.

[calia]

Dude, seriously, how much coin did you lose tonight in the last minute of the game? I can only assume it was not insubstantial.

No one said Tom won the game himself or that he hasn't benefited like all QBs do from some luck (although no more than others, in my view) and help from the supporting cast. But did you really think Wilson outplayed him tonight? I didn't see it that way - he put up 28 points on that D without a huge input from the running game. That is impressive. Wilson shows heart but had a nonexistent first quarter and barely a pulse in the second. As he did two weeks ago, he came back in the second half and played well and with heart. But the better QB got the win tonight, no question.

Name the stud RBs Brady has had in the last 15 years. Outside of Randy Moss for a few years and Welker, same question for receivers? Remember, we are talking for a 15 year period - few guys stand out as elite offensive players during that span. Not a lot of HOFers on defense either, although Revis this year is obviously an exception. Now think on the weapons that Terry Bradshaw had - Stallworth, Swann, and Franco Harris, not to mention a defense that even Pete Carroll would envy. Montana similarly had a lot of talent around him, including the best receiver to ever play the game. All three teams had incredible coaches. Brady won 4 with different players and in different ways, and was pretty close to winning 6. He had all 6 Patriot teams in it to the wire. Not enough for you?

Also, feel free to disagree, but don't call me or others on the site idiots or other such nonsense. It reflects poorly on you and really doesn't have a place here. If you are sick of reading opinions with which you don't agree, no one is forcing you to contribute.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

LOL.


No. Brady didn't stop the Seahawks on the goal line or this wouldn't even be in the discussion. If anything, these teams seem to gift wrap these types of games up for Tom. Wilson actually outplayed Brady that game. How about you give the Patriots defense some props. Hell, if the Seahawks run beastmode on that last play, you guys aren't even having this conversation. You would be talking about how Wilson outplayed Tom and the 2 INTs.

The defense did great in the 4th quarter. For three quarters that defense was mediocre at best.

They gave up more than 150 yards rushing. Wilson looked like he would never get sacked at times during that game. There was absolutely no pass rush. The picked on Arrington the entire game and the secondary looked bad outside of the 1st quarter. They gave up a touchdown in about 30 seconds right before the half which happened only once this entire season for any team in the NFL (according to Tren Dilfer), but they did step up in the 4th quarter. I agree with that.

But all of that doesn't take away how great Brady was that 4th quarter. He carried the offense that 4th quarter and looked almost perfect against one of if not the best secondaries in NFL history. That same defense that made Manning, Rogers, and Brees look like Jay Cutlers. But I guess since his name isn't Peyton Manning when he throws 4 touchdows and 350 yards the credit should actually go to the defense.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You talk out of your ass and have no clue what you are even saying.


Tackles
First team: Tyron Smith, Dallas, 35; Joe Thomas, Cleveland, 22.
Second team: Andrew Whitworth, Cincinnati, 14; Jason Peters, Philadelphia, 12.
Others receiving votes: Ryan Clady, Denver, 4; Sebastian Vollmer, New England, 3


Guards
First team: Marshal Yanda, Baltimore, 38; Zack Martin, Dallas, 24.
Second team: Josh Sitton, Green Bay, 22; Kyle Long, Chicago, 5.
Others receiving votes: Mike Iupati, San Francisco, 4; Evan Mathis, Philadelphia, 2; Jahri Evans, New Orleans, 2; Joel Bitonio, Cleveland, 1; Dan Connolly, New England, 1; James Carpenter, Seattle, 1.




Tight end
First team: Rob Gronkowski, New England, 50.


Placekicker
First team: Adam Vinatieri, Indianapolis, 25.
Second team: Stephen Gostkowski, New England, 21.


New England had more votes for all-pros along their OL than did Seattle. They had a unanimous TE voted in as all-pro. New England's WRs are superior to Seattle's. (Lafell, Edelmann, Amendola > Lockett, Matthews, Kearse) The only thing superior on Seattle's offense is their RB.

Like I said, Tom has more talent around him offensively than does Wilson, but Wilson has better talent around him defensively.

Special teams go to New England.

Which offense line played better last night?

[BaltimoreSkins]

I think Pete Carroll to a page out of Mike McCarthy's playbook there!