Who is Kirk Cousins?

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

if we go to the Pats land and Cousins leads us to victory...ill eat a crow

I just hope we compete next game, not like sundays 1st half we will be in real trouble... and... we need someone to play Gronk .. or somethin somehow against him

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Meks

I just hope we compete next game, not like sundays 1st half we will be in real trouble... and... we need someone to play Gronk .. or somethin somehow against him

Back in the way back day, when one coach was asked how he planned to stop Bronko Nagurski, he shrugged: "With a shotgun as he's leaving the locker room."

Daring to be politically incorrect, I think that's about the only way we stop Gronk.

One of my favorite Nagurski'isms:
"Bronko Nagurski took a handoff, blasted through the opposition, crossed the goal line, and ran clear through the end zone and into a brick wall. 'That last guy hit me awfully hard,' he admitted later."

[rocnrik]

They are calling out Luck in Indy so nothing surprises me ..Maybe the Colts will listen to there fans and cut luck or we can get him for a 4th round pick. Rogers would get negative reviews in redskin land. never mind the other 52 players its always the QB that needs to go.

[punch it in]

Gotta let the season play out and look at the whole body of work. It will change our opinions week to week. Thats the nature of the sport. Rite now qb is not as high on the list of needs as it was last week. Hopefully by the end of the year its not on the list at all.

[rocnrik]

at this point mediocre aint bad! Its not like we have choices. Colt is a true backup Qb and we are lucky to have him,but He is not a starter. I will say right now if the skins put cousins out as trade bait we could get a pretty high pick for him NOW..maybe a number 2 ..he would start for another team. We might have our starting QB..who knows ,at least we have somebody with upside potential.There has been hall of fame QB's that have been released from teams early in there career.please lets give Cousins all the support we can and we will all find out who he is.

[Bucket]

Wait.
Wait.

I think Kirk is average so far, but....

You are a fool if you think he running game has nothing to do with evaluating the QB position. Especially when half your playbook can be eliminated and the defense you play against is a determination of the running game and how successful it is.

Carry on....

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Wait.
Wait.

I think Kirk is average so far, but....

You are a fool if you think he running game has nothing to do with evaluating the QB position. Especially when half your playbook can be eliminated and the defense you play against is a determination of the running game and how successful it is.

Carry on....

Evaluating the position in terms of functioning within the scope of the offense, I'd agree but the things he struggle with (accuracy, turnovers) have zip to do with the running game. Those are purely his ability and decision making.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Evaluating the position in terms of functioning within the scope of the offense, I'd agree but the things he struggle with (accuracy, turnovers) have zip to do with the running game. Those are purely his ability and decision making.

Pretty easy to disagree with this. Considering throwing 20 times a game or 40 times is a huge variable in interceptions thrown.

It's easier for say.... Carson Palmer to make decisions on his throws when when he can throw from play action knowing defenses will bite. Or how tight the coverage is when rolling out, etc.

But anyhow.. I'll just agree to disagree because in a team game. It's difficult for me to believe the evaluation of 1 player has nothing to do with the other 10.

And this is coming from someone who played at a D1 level and fully understand its importance.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Pretty easy to disagree with this. Considering throwing 20 times a game or 40 times is a huge variable in interceptions thrown.

It's easier for say.... Carson Palmer to make decisions on his throws when when he can throw from play action knowing defenses will bite. Or how tight the coverage is when rolling out, etc.

But anyhow.. I'll just agree to disagree because in a team game. It's difficult for me to believe the evaluation of 1 player has nothing to do with the other 10.

And this is coming from someone who played at a D1 level and fully understand its importance.

To clarify, a QB ability to make an accurate pass from a clean pocket, IMO, has nothing to do with a running game. A QB decision to throw into double coverage or stare down a receiver or bail out and throw off their back foot due to pressure has nothing to do with a running game.

Evaluating if they have the overall requisite skills to lead an offense competently and be a productive starter has everything to do with the other 10 players around him.

[punch it in]

Not sure I agree that inaccuracy or poor decisions (in big sums) have anything to do with the run game. I mean sure if you throw more your chances are greater, but its not like his int's are usually tipped or their is some fantastic play by the db. They are usually strait up head scratching fails that would not have a chance no matter what the situation.
That being said I think he can control that as he gains experience and if he is in the middle of the pack or close to it than I see zero problems with the position for the time being.

Edit: question is really - is he good enough to play qb if we put a stud team around him? Yes imo. Lets face it there arent to many brady's or rodger's out there that can carry a team. Look at Eli Manning. Dude is a turnover machine, but when he had a killer defense, and great oline with weapons he is an instant super bowl mvp. Go figure. You give KC a deep threat, little more up front, and a killer D and I think he can do the job for sure.

[KI Skins Fan]

Cousins is getting better all the time. He's cutting down on the crucial mistakes. We know he can lead a late comeback to win a game. He's proven that - which is a very big deal, IMO.

I wouldn't try to rank him at this point but I will say that I believe he hasn't nearly reached his full potential. As he gains more game experience and continues to progress, I think that most of us will begin to regard him as much more valuable than we consider him to be at the present time.

He got a key weapon back (Reed) against TB and he used that weapon well. I'm eager to see what he's able to do with with a full complement of receivers: DJax, Reed, Garcon, etc. It could be very exciting.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Cousins is getting better all the time. He's cutting down on the crucial mistakes. We know he can lead a late comeback to win a game. He's proven that - which is a very big deal, IMO.

I wouldn't try to rank him at this point but I will say that I believe he hasn't nearly reached his full potential. As he gains more game experience and continues to progress, I think that most of us will begin to regard him as much more valuable than we consider him to be at the present time.

He got a key weapon back (Reed) against TB and he used that weapon well. I'm eager to see what he's able to do with with a full complement of receivers: DJax, Reed, Garcon, etc. It could be very exciting.

I want at least two or three games of consistent good play - meaning: 1) No bonehead INT's; and 2) consistent accuracy with his passes.

I have never doubted his ability to play well on a game by game basis. I have, and continue to, doubt his ability to play well on a game to game basis.

Right now, I remained unconvinced that this 27 year old QB is not the same generally inaccurate, interception machine he has been for his first four years in the league.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I want at least two or three games of consistent good play - meaning: 1) No bonehead INT's; and 2) consistent accuracy with his passes.



I have never doubted his ability to play well on a game by game basis. I have, and continue to, doubt his ability to play well on a game to game basis.



Right now, I remained unconvinced that this 27 year old QB is not the same generally inaccurate, interception machine he has been for his first four years in the league.

Yes 27. Yes four years. But basically a rookie as far as playing time. If he truly had 4 years under his belt and was still making these mistakes the experiment would be over - imo these things can still be chalked up as rookie mistakes. Not to mention he has 7 starts total where he has been taking first team reps , etc. I like the improvements im seeing at this stage of his career (in dog years).

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I like the improvements im seeing at this stage of his career (in dog years).

"If worms had machine guns, birds wouldn't be scared of them."

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yes 27. Yes four years. But basically a rookie as far as playing time. If he truly had 4 years under his belt and was still making these mistakes the experiment would be over - imo these things can still be chalked up as rookie mistakes. Not to mention he has 7 starts total where he has been taking first team reps , etc. I like the improvements im seeing at this stage of his career (in dog years).

Unique situation for Kirk because he sat behind someone who the franchise had huge expectations for.

Looking at the numbers, Kirk has played the OVERALL toughest defenses in the NFL combined between all 31 NFL teams according to pro insider. He's down from 4.5 INT/Throw to 3.0. League average is a bit below that.

We have a QB right now that is playing in a real WCO and project numbers...

4100 yards, 23 TD 18INT %68 completion rate.

Compare that to other young QB playing their first season. There is no way you don't offer the guy a McCown or Fitz type deal and build around the team more.